so you're also going to ignore all the consequences that this puts on the woman?

?

you're not talking about it *being a human* at that very moment but

We live with the consequences of our actions

*it going to become a human*

to run from consequences is irresponsible and pathetic.

so why consider these consequences without the consequences of the host?

so people do not get to choose how their socio-economic environment is affected if they have sex?

because remember

children are a socio-economic burden

So?

That's not exactly an insane position to take tbh

well
A) if it's a poor family who can't even really afford children then it's actually not good for the development of the child anyways

When we are talking about murder, it definitely is

B) socioeconomics affect every political and emotional choice people make.

Uhm. Have you heard of Africa?????

I am from Africa

I live here

People have like 10 children if they want

Battle of the Boers

@An Elbow yes but in africa children can actually be an economic benefit because diffrent child labor laws

so it's a false equvilance

Finance argument is invalid. It is lazy and disgusting

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 No, not always

so no decisions are ever made with finances in mind?

Then couldnt a solution to banning abortion be to abolish child labor laws to make them an economic benefit as opposed to a burden?

abolishing child labour laws is a big no no in the west

but like original libertarians said it was 'interfering with the free market' and fought against it originally but we don't live in the 1800s

*Why do you keep ignoring the moral issue*@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 ?

because morality is wishy washy and subjective

But arguing purely from a perspective of the socioeconomic considerations of the parents that line of thought can't be handwaved away

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 "because morality is wishy washy and subjective" not in the slightest.

yes it is

No

there are two families of morality the objective one and the idealist one

under capitalism we follow an idealist set of morality

so yes morality right now is wishy washy

No

Ownership and life are important and concrete. Other things are less certain

this set of morality doesn't really talk about material conditions.

So?