Message from @An Elbow
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because remember
children are a socio-economic burden
So?
That's not exactly an insane position to take tbh
well
A) if it's a poor family who can't even really afford children then it's actually not good for the development of the child anyways
When we are talking about murder, it definitely is
B) socioeconomics affect every political and emotional choice people make.
Uhm. Have you heard of Africa?????
I am from Africa
I live here
People have like 10 children if they want
Battle of the Boers
@An Elbow yes but in africa children can actually be an economic benefit because diffrent child labor laws
so it's a false equvilance
Finance argument is invalid. It is lazy and disgusting
@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 No, not always
so no decisions are ever made with finances in mind?
Then couldnt a solution to banning abortion be to abolish child labor laws to make them an economic benefit as opposed to a burden?
abolishing child labour laws is a big no no in the west
but like original libertarians said it was 'interfering with the free market' and fought against it originally but we don't live in the 1800s
because morality is wishy washy and subjective
But arguing purely from a perspective of the socioeconomic considerations of the parents that line of thought can't be handwaved away
@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 "because morality is wishy washy and subjective" not in the slightest.
yes it is
No
there are two families of morality the objective one and the idealist one
under capitalism we follow an idealist set of morality
so yes morality right now is wishy washy
No
Ownership and life are important and concrete. Other things are less certain
this set of morality doesn't really talk about material conditions.
So?
it's wishy washy
it's based on how you define 'human'
no
or when 'gametes' become human
which is disagreeable
or when theyre 'alive'
or 'feel pain'
????