Do you even know what a gamete is?

It is the singular for a sperm or egg cell

yes so when do the male gamete and female gamete 'become' human

There is no magical point at which they become human.

Pretty sure most argue at conception. But something I've never heard explored is instead of working forward from ejaculation to the point of becoming a human, what would be the point at which a newly born child stops being human working backwards?

is it at the very inception?

why at conception?

When a person will result

can the cell even *think*

*is it conscious*

does it *feel pain*

because then it will result in a person

these are all characteristics of a human

wrong questions

no

those are not

so you're saying to me 'something' that doesn't act at all like a human

is a human?

No

*because it will result in a person* so you're talking about consequences

so you're also going to ignore all the consequences that this puts on the woman?

?

you're not talking about it *being a human* at that very moment but

We live with the consequences of our actions

*it going to become a human*

to run from consequences is irresponsible and pathetic.

so why consider these consequences without the consequences of the host?

so people do not get to choose how their socio-economic environment is affected if they have sex?

because remember

children are a socio-economic burden

So?

That's not exactly an insane position to take tbh

well
A) if it's a poor family who can't even really afford children then it's actually not good for the development of the child anyways

When we are talking about murder, it definitely is

B) socioeconomics affect every political and emotional choice people make.

Uhm. Have you heard of Africa?????

I am from Africa

I live here

People have like 10 children if they want

Battle of the Boers

@An Elbow yes but in africa children can actually be an economic benefit because diffrent child labor laws