Another reason to allow abortion is for mental health problems such as Downs. @An Elbow

^like i said

Would you rather doom someone to a life of pain and potentially suicide, or preemptively grant them the mercy of death

Before they even understand that they exist

Also, setting a societal standard for the practices and making it socially normal works to reduce the chances of it happening. @An Elbow

Plenty retarded people end up being perfectly fine and can fend for themselves after their parents are able to continue helping. The "doom" you refer to is only from self inflicted pity wallowing.

If there’s a high chance my child will be born a downy I’m less likely to have children if I know it’s going to be aborted.

@An Elbow pity wallowing about being an unwanted existence?

Dude

And im talking about bastards atm not downies

Both are an issue quite frankly.

Yes but one is a fully conscious painful existence, the other is simply a drag in society and culture

Both are an issue

@Ideal father No, they are equivalent.

Who is they, and what are you responding to? I just said both are an issue

Being retarded and being a rape child. Both are rough lives but both deserve life. You are right! They are both issues! But just because they have greater chance of not having a healthy family and being humiliated an mocked their entire lives doesn't make them need to be murdered.

Ugly people and people with ridiculous opinions can live even worse lives. You saying they should be found and culled before birth too?

No one “deserves” life.

Okay youre assuming way too much

@Deleted User Fair enough. But plenty DON'T deserve murder

͏Li͏f͏e is simply a state of being. You are either alive or dead. All organisms live and die. So, why do we all deserve death but not life?

First off, that rape children want to live in the first place (many dont), secondly that people with severe mental defects even comprehend their own existence

Well, your contributions decide wether you deserve good or bad upon you.

A useless retard deserves bad. @An Elbow

Lmao shoahed

@An Elbow explain a single contribution people with down syndrome have had or currently have on society

Just one, a single one

Retards are the worst of man.

E u g e n i c s

I really hope this paragraph at least somewhat answers my question but im doubtful

@Ideal father "that rape children want to live in the first place (many dont)" Still their choice. Still doesn't justify murder.

"secondly that people with severe mental defects even comprehend their own existence" Fair argument. But such extremes are rare, and generally you can't tell how bad retardism will be before birth.

"contribution" is vague. Likelihood is neither of us will make spectacular contributions to society, but just doing "a job" is a contribution . Like a janitor, etc. Would you rather an ordinary person do something so menial or someone who is literally only capable of that?

You realize lots of them and fundamentally incapable of work right? @An Elbow

Retards generally should not breed regardless though.

Did you read what I said about rare cases???

“Extremes are rare” well, Downies in general are the extreme. And there’s no reason they shouldn’t be aborted. No

Okay 1. You’d rather moralize and bloviate instead of granting a sad life mercy? That sounds rather evil, 2. They actually arent, most people with down syndrome are that extreme. And yes you can tell, do a bit of research on it
3. Many people with mental defects are given menial tasks simply because of their disability which they often fuck up. And I’d rather not deny a wage to someone who is actually a useful person

This is literally only an issue in a white society.

Smh altruistic aryan bois

So given that they cannot comprehend their own existence, they are not useful, and are a drag on resources. Why should we allow them to be a part of society instead of preemptively preventing it

You know what, hold up

This might sound odd

But explain to me why certain people shouldnt be murdered