Message from @HaplessOperator
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So while practically the constitution does apply only to American citizens, seeing as the rights are god given and inalienable the USA should give non-citizens the same rights
And not take away their religious freedom.
We're not taking away anything.
You are.
Saying that someone can't enter our country isn't denying them their religious freedom.
It is if you do it based on religious reasons
Allowing them to come into our country and then forcing them to convert under threat of the sword would be a sanction against religious freedom, sure.
Then it's religious discrimination, limiting their freedom. Seeing as otherwise they would have been able to immigrate into the United states.
But that's not what's taking place or even being discussed
Trump wanted that.
He wanted forced conversion under threat of violence?
Now you're really off your rocker.
No, he wanted to ban all people from a certain religion from being able to immigrate to the USA.
Which... again, doesn't apply to anyone who's an American citizen.
While it should.
It only restricted entry by foreign nationals.
Who are not, you know. American citizens.
Based on religion.
Which goes against the principles of your constitution.
Except the Constitution doesn't apply to foreign nationals.
This is the point of sovereignty.
It does by principle apply to everyone.
Just not by law.
You don't seem to be very familiar with our Constitution.
Are the rights god given?
Yes or no?
We recognize them as such, under the Constitution, applying to citizens of the sovereign entity that is the United States of America. Outside of those parameters, the discussion is philosophical at best.
You're taking very long to answer a simple yes or no question
Ok, so the answer is yes.
So by principle the constitution should apply to everyone
No, of course not.
Because we're not in charge of the entire world.
And banning people from entering the country because they have a certain religion goes against its principles
I said by principle
Yeah, that's what I mean.
We don't owe the citizens of another country anything.
In reality they don't, because America isn't in charge of the whole world.
Including guaranteed admission.
However by the principles of the constitution everyone should have these rights.
The same way that France doesn't owe me anything.