Message from @HaplessOperator

Discord ID: 513313530540457984


2018-11-17 11:20:42 UTC  

Yet you only think American citizens deserve religious freedom, hence you think that it is THE GOVERNMENT who awards rights.

2018-11-17 11:20:57 UTC  

That's, uh, that's not what I said.

2018-11-17 11:21:06 UTC  

That is uh, exactly what you said.

2018-11-17 11:21:12 UTC  

Where in that did you read that only Americans deserve religious freedom?

2018-11-17 11:22:09 UTC  

The fact that you think the American constitution (which awards religious freedom) only applies to American citizens and the fact that you therefor think it's okay for the American government to not care about the religious freedom of non-Americans.

2018-11-17 11:22:33 UTC  

The Constitution DOES only apply to Americans.

2018-11-17 11:22:54 UTC  

Not really

2018-11-17 11:22:54 UTC  

I am not subject to, for example, Canadian code and laws, nor the laws of Zimbabwe, or China.

2018-11-17 11:23:07 UTC  

The same way that a Saudi is not subject to the US Constitution.

2018-11-17 11:23:10 UTC  

By principle it shouldn't.

2018-11-17 11:23:18 UTC  

How do you figure

2018-11-17 11:23:25 UTC  

Seeing as the rights awarded by the constitution are inalienable.

2018-11-17 11:23:28 UTC  

They're sovereign countries, not bound by our laws.

2018-11-17 11:23:31 UTC  

God given rights

2018-11-17 11:23:34 UTC  

Not government given.

2018-11-17 11:23:49 UTC  

Just because we think that doesn't mean that the Crown Prince of Saud believes the same to be true.

2018-11-17 11:24:05 UTC  

Or the PM of the UK

2018-11-17 11:24:13 UTC  

Or the President of France

2018-11-17 11:24:23 UTC  

So while practically the constitution does apply only to American citizens, seeing as the rights are god given and inalienable the USA should give non-citizens the same rights

2018-11-17 11:24:31 UTC  

And not take away their religious freedom.

2018-11-17 11:24:42 UTC  

We're not taking away anything.

2018-11-17 11:24:47 UTC  

You are.

2018-11-17 11:24:55 UTC  

Saying that someone can't enter our country isn't denying them their religious freedom.

2018-11-17 11:25:04 UTC  

It is if you do it based on religious reasons

2018-11-17 11:25:25 UTC  

Allowing them to come into our country and then forcing them to convert under threat of the sword would be a sanction against religious freedom, sure.

2018-11-17 11:25:27 UTC  

Then it's religious discrimination, limiting their freedom. Seeing as otherwise they would have been able to immigrate into the United states.

2018-11-17 11:25:35 UTC  

But that's not what's taking place or even being discussed

2018-11-17 11:25:54 UTC  

Trump wanted that.

2018-11-17 11:26:11 UTC  

He wanted forced conversion under threat of violence?

2018-11-17 11:26:22 UTC  

Now you're really off your rocker.

2018-11-17 11:26:33 UTC  

No, he wanted to ban all people from a certain religion from being able to immigrate to the USA.

2018-11-17 11:26:51 UTC  

Which... again, doesn't apply to anyone who's an American citizen.

2018-11-17 11:27:05 UTC  

While it should.

2018-11-17 11:27:06 UTC  

It only restricted entry by foreign nationals.

2018-11-17 11:27:18 UTC  

Who are not, you know. American citizens.

2018-11-17 11:27:22 UTC  

Based on religion.

2018-11-17 11:27:31 UTC  

Which goes against the principles of your constitution.

2018-11-17 11:27:48 UTC  

Except the Constitution doesn't apply to foreign nationals.

2018-11-17 11:27:57 UTC  

It applies to American citizens.

2018-11-17 11:28:03 UTC  

This is the point of sovereignty.

2018-11-17 11:28:16 UTC  

It does by principle apply to everyone.