Message from @HaplessOperator

Discord ID: 513315150808219663


2018-11-17 11:27:18 UTC  

Who are not, you know. American citizens.

2018-11-17 11:27:22 UTC  

Based on religion.

2018-11-17 11:27:31 UTC  

Which goes against the principles of your constitution.

2018-11-17 11:27:48 UTC  

Except the Constitution doesn't apply to foreign nationals.

2018-11-17 11:27:57 UTC  

It applies to American citizens.

2018-11-17 11:28:03 UTC  

This is the point of sovereignty.

2018-11-17 11:28:16 UTC  

It does by principle apply to everyone.

2018-11-17 11:28:28 UTC  

Just not by law.

2018-11-17 11:28:36 UTC  

You don't seem to be very familiar with our Constitution.

2018-11-17 11:28:43 UTC  

Are the rights god given?

2018-11-17 11:29:16 UTC  

Yes or no?

2018-11-17 11:30:07 UTC  

We recognize them as such, under the Constitution, applying to citizens of the sovereign entity that is the United States of America. Outside of those parameters, the discussion is philosophical at best.

2018-11-17 11:30:07 UTC  

You're taking very long to answer a simple yes or no question

2018-11-17 11:30:17 UTC  

Ok, so the answer is yes.

2018-11-17 11:30:26 UTC  

So by principle the constitution should apply to everyone

2018-11-17 11:30:35 UTC  

No, of course not.

2018-11-17 11:30:43 UTC  

Because we're not in charge of the entire world.

2018-11-17 11:30:47 UTC  

And banning people from entering the country because they have a certain religion goes against its principles

2018-11-17 11:30:50 UTC  

I said by principle

2018-11-17 11:30:58 UTC  

Yeah, that's what I mean.

2018-11-17 11:31:08 UTC  

We don't owe the citizens of another country anything.

2018-11-17 11:31:14 UTC  

In reality they don't, because America isn't in charge of the whole world.

2018-11-17 11:31:17 UTC  

Including guaranteed admission.

2018-11-17 11:31:29 UTC  

However by the principles of the constitution everyone should have these rights.

2018-11-17 11:31:33 UTC  

The same way that France doesn't owe me anything.

2018-11-17 11:31:40 UTC  

Or Japan.

2018-11-17 11:31:55 UTC  

And restriction religious freedom for anyone, regardless of nationality, goes against the principles of your constitution.

2018-11-17 11:31:58 UTC  

I'm not extended any rights or protections under Japanese law that protects its citizens

2018-11-17 11:32:04 UTC  

Because I'm not a Japanese national.

2018-11-17 11:32:16 UTC  

I'm not arguing by law.

2018-11-17 11:32:31 UTC  

I'm not understanding what difficulty you're having with the concept of sovereignty.

2018-11-17 11:32:33 UTC  

By law you are right.

2018-11-17 11:32:50 UTC  

America doesn't own the world, so American laws don't apply to everyone yes.

2018-11-17 11:32:54 UTC  

I agree with that statement.

2018-11-17 11:33:17 UTC  

And as Americans, it's our play in determining who gets in and who doesn't.

2018-11-17 11:33:26 UTC  

However, your constitution calls some rights god given, inalienable etc. Meaning that by PRINCIPLE, they SHOULD be rewarded to everyone, even though by law this is not the case.

2018-11-17 11:33:45 UTC  

So it is unconstitutional by PRINCIPLE to limit the religious freedom of people, regardless of nationality.

2018-11-17 11:33:59 UTC  

Except we're not limiting their religious freedom.

2018-11-17 11:34:03 UTC  

You are.

2018-11-17 11:34:12 UTC  

They can practice it all they want, exactly where they are.

2018-11-17 11:34:59 UTC  

You are limiting their religious freedom because they would be able to immigrate if they stopped practicing, you are discriminating against them on the basis of religion and restricting their ability to immigrate to your country based solely on religion.