Message from @HaplessOperator
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I'm simply against the conflation of foreign nationals and American citizens, and the mistaken belief that they're somehow afforded the rights and protections granted by the US Constitution, as well as the mistaken logic that immigration is somehow an inalienable right provided by such.
So you think that rights are given by the government
Not given, no.
Yes, given.
Codified in some cases.
Not given, though.
Yes given
That's the meaning of inalienable.
They're not given by the government.
If they where not given by the government they would be applied to everyone
How do you mean
And no.
Yet you only think American citizens deserve religious freedom, hence you think that it is THE GOVERNMENT who awards rights.
That's, uh, that's not what I said.
That is uh, exactly what you said.
Where in that did you read that only Americans deserve religious freedom?
The fact that you think the American constitution (which awards religious freedom) only applies to American citizens and the fact that you therefor think it's okay for the American government to not care about the religious freedom of non-Americans.
The Constitution DOES only apply to Americans.
Not really
I am not subject to, for example, Canadian code and laws, nor the laws of Zimbabwe, or China.
By principle it shouldn't.
How do you figure
Seeing as the rights awarded by the constitution are inalienable.
They're sovereign countries, not bound by our laws.
God given rights
Not government given.
Just because we think that doesn't mean that the Crown Prince of Saud believes the same to be true.
Or the PM of the UK
Or the President of France
So while practically the constitution does apply only to American citizens, seeing as the rights are god given and inalienable the USA should give non-citizens the same rights
And not take away their religious freedom.
We're not taking away anything.
You are.
Saying that someone can't enter our country isn't denying them their religious freedom.
It is if you do it based on religious reasons
Allowing them to come into our country and then forcing them to convert under threat of the sword would be a sanction against religious freedom, sure.
Then it's religious discrimination, limiting their freedom. Seeing as otherwise they would have been able to immigrate into the United states.
But that's not what's taking place or even being discussed
Trump wanted that.
He wanted forced conversion under threat of violence?