Message from @HaplessOperator
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Yes or no?
We recognize them as such, under the Constitution, applying to citizens of the sovereign entity that is the United States of America. Outside of those parameters, the discussion is philosophical at best.
You're taking very long to answer a simple yes or no question
Ok, so the answer is yes.
So by principle the constitution should apply to everyone
No, of course not.
Because we're not in charge of the entire world.
And banning people from entering the country because they have a certain religion goes against its principles
I said by principle
Yeah, that's what I mean.
We don't owe the citizens of another country anything.
In reality they don't, because America isn't in charge of the whole world.
Including guaranteed admission.
However by the principles of the constitution everyone should have these rights.
The same way that France doesn't owe me anything.
Or Japan.
And restriction religious freedom for anyone, regardless of nationality, goes against the principles of your constitution.
I'm not extended any rights or protections under Japanese law that protects its citizens
Because I'm not a Japanese national.
I'm not arguing by law.
By law you are right.
America doesn't own the world, so American laws don't apply to everyone yes.
I agree with that statement.
And as Americans, it's our play in determining who gets in and who doesn't.
However, your constitution calls some rights god given, inalienable etc. Meaning that by PRINCIPLE, they SHOULD be rewarded to everyone, even though by law this is not the case.
So it is unconstitutional by PRINCIPLE to limit the religious freedom of people, regardless of nationality.
Except we're not limiting their religious freedom.
You are.
They can practice it all they want, exactly where they are.
You are limiting their religious freedom because they would be able to immigrate if they stopped practicing, you are discriminating against them on the basis of religion and restricting their ability to immigrate to your country based solely on religion.
We restrict the ability to immigrate for a whooooole lot more than that, if that's your beef.
Okay...? I don't see how that is relevant here.
In this case you restrict it based solely on religion.
Which goes against the principle of religious freedom
Except they're not American citizens, and do not possess that right under the Constitution, and as such are fair game for us flexing sovereignty and saying we don't want any more of a backwards-ass, xenophobic religion predicated on violence in our country.
Ugh
I spent eight years in the middle of that shit. It's not something you want in your homeland.
Not an argument
I'm not talking the washed up version you see in most places in the west.
Blabla