Message from @bandit

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2018-11-17 12:13:38 UTC  

DoJ statistics show that in all cases except immediate, violent resistance, the victim is likely to be subject to escalation by the hostile actor.

2018-11-17 12:13:45 UTC  

Describe it.

2018-11-17 12:14:01 UTC  

What sort of escalation

2018-11-17 12:14:07 UTC  

And could you send me the statistics

2018-11-17 12:14:26 UTC  

A death I'm assuming?

2018-11-17 12:14:51 UTC  

A man comes up to a woman, asks her if her dog bites. She says no. He pulls a knife. Demands her purse. She complies. That's twice now.

2018-11-17 12:15:03 UTC  

The first capitulation was opening a dialogue.

2018-11-17 12:15:04 UTC  

That's only a robbery

2018-11-17 12:15:08 UTC  

I'm not finished.

2018-11-17 12:15:12 UTC  

Opening of a dialogue isn't bad

2018-11-17 12:15:25 UTC  

It can be. But that's a separate discussion.

2018-11-17 12:15:51 UTC  

She's complied now. The predator knows he has a compliant victim. She's already done exactly what he told her.

2018-11-17 12:16:03 UTC  

"Okay, bitch, now, step over here."

2018-11-17 12:16:10 UTC  

Then it's a rape.

2018-11-17 12:16:13 UTC  

Then it's a murder.

2018-11-17 12:16:38 UTC  

Is the dog okay?

2018-11-17 12:17:04 UTC  

But this can also apply only to America.

2018-11-17 12:17:11 UTC  

Can it now

2018-11-17 12:17:20 UTC  

Mugging, rape, and murder only take place in America?

2018-11-17 12:17:32 UTC  

In this way yes.

2018-11-17 12:17:43 UTC  

I think this is a very bad rephrasing of my argument though.

2018-11-17 12:17:49 UTC  

How so

2018-11-17 12:18:01 UTC  

How can that take place ONLY in America?

2018-11-17 12:18:20 UTC  

I'm saying that this thing of roberries ending with rapes of murders can apply only to America (as in, your study)

2018-11-17 12:18:35 UTC  

We don't know if these things take place in countries with gun restrictions

2018-11-17 12:18:50 UTC  

Most mugging don't involve guns, though.

2018-11-17 12:19:16 UTC  

And we certainly do.

2018-11-17 12:19:17 UTC  

They do, though it's not included in the study

2018-11-17 12:19:24 UTC  

In my city there are 1.494 muggins per year, and 137 rapes.

2018-11-17 12:19:35 UTC  

In the year 2015

2018-11-17 12:20:13 UTC  

And there are heavy gun restrictions.

2018-11-17 12:20:42 UTC  

But take my fiancee for example, to go back to the self defense thing. Even armed with pepper spray, she wouldn't have much of a chance against even a single dedicated actor that was larger than her.

2018-11-17 12:20:54 UTC  

Two would be almost a foregone conclusion.

2018-11-17 12:21:00 UTC  

This is unarmed men, by the way.

2018-11-17 12:21:02 UTC  

But how would you respond to what I said?

2018-11-17 12:21:21 UTC  

There are more then 10 times more muggings then rapes.

2018-11-17 12:21:26 UTC  

Her only response to such an event, with a satisfactory conclusion, would be immediate lethal force.

2018-11-17 12:21:37 UTC  

I'd say that sounds about right.

2018-11-17 12:22:03 UTC  

If it were to look up the statistics for violent crime here, they'd likely show a similar ratio.

2018-11-17 12:22:08 UTC  

Then most muggings don't go like what you describe.

2018-11-17 12:22:15 UTC  

Not most, no.