Message from @twomoo1119

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2018-12-28 18:10:17 UTC  

Yes the whole premise of NAP is that they would follow the rule of self defence, continue in a sec i have to go to the toilet

2018-12-28 18:14:16 UTC  

okay

2018-12-28 18:14:18 UTC  

im back

2018-12-28 18:14:19 UTC  

so

2018-12-28 18:16:06 UTC  

The whole principle of self defence is literally an answer to your question. Do not attack, and only use self defence. A nuke is not a self defence weapon. It is a weapon made for specifically attacking someone. Thus an ancap society would not need that. However, that comes into the question for me at least. I am not for that, the abolishment of the nukes. It is a hard question, but i would not abolish them. The one that is advanced the most should be able to get them.

2018-12-28 18:16:16 UTC  

But another question forms within that

2018-12-28 18:16:57 UTC  

what makse you think that those nuclear bombs won't get into the hands of evil people. And i just direct that question towards the gov. A person who is evil could get elected. AAnd get a hold of nukes Same thing.

2018-12-28 18:17:35 UTC  

Honestly I don’t like them in the hands of anyone

2018-12-28 18:17:41 UTC  

^

2018-12-28 18:18:00 UTC  

But its a lot more comforting when they are only in the hands of a few people

2018-12-28 18:18:53 UTC  

Comforting? Probably. But it is the same principle. Those few people could go tyrannical just like those few companies could. However that specifically is very unlikely to happen

2018-12-28 18:19:58 UTC  

Tyrannical with the nukes was the better wording

2018-12-28 18:23:22 UTC  

What I’ve been trying to get at is that force doesn’t really fall under economics so its not just so simple as to privatize it.

2018-12-28 18:23:34 UTC  

It doesn’t concern production/trade

2018-12-28 18:23:52 UTC  

But rather destruction/seizure

2018-12-28 18:24:12 UTC  

Even if its destroying destruction

2018-12-28 18:24:19 UTC  

Its still not producing anything

2018-12-28 18:24:53 UTC  

where does the gov mostly get their money from

2018-12-28 18:25:23 UTC  

Taxation

2018-12-28 18:25:31 UTC  

and is taxation forced upon people

2018-12-28 18:25:54 UTC  

It is if you want the services the government provides

2018-12-28 18:27:05 UTC  

Yes but that doesn't matter it is still theft. If it uses force and says, you gett this and this and this and you must pay it even if you do not need it, it is theft. For example, they waste their tax money on useless shit like planned parenthood etc

2018-12-28 18:27:28 UTC  

or healthcare

2018-12-28 18:27:35 UTC  

obamacare a prime example

2018-12-28 18:27:46 UTC  

a reason trump won in the first place is that people were sick of it and were betrayed

2018-12-28 18:28:55 UTC  

also

2018-12-28 18:29:12 UTC  

my point is that what you said that force does not produce anything is false

2018-12-28 18:29:13 UTC  

Well thats a different story

2018-12-28 18:29:47 UTC  

You can have minarchism (minimalism? I forget the exact name.)

2018-12-28 18:30:18 UTC  

minarchism is a joke

2018-12-28 18:30:22 UTC  

they say the same shit we say

2018-12-28 18:30:38 UTC  

they say taxation is theft, that gov is dangerous etc

2018-12-28 18:30:42 UTC  

I know

2018-12-28 18:30:48 UTC  

but then still want the gov to tax people

2018-12-28 18:31:13 UTC  

Well they believe the government should provide military defense

2018-12-28 18:31:19 UTC  

That seems to be a major difference

2018-12-28 18:31:24 UTC  

sure

2018-12-28 18:31:44 UTC  

but then comes the question of the monopoly on force

2018-12-28 18:31:50 UTC  

they say that it is true

2018-12-28 18:31:58 UTC  

however they somehow support it??

2018-12-28 18:32:12 UTC  

idk their party is a joke just like anarcho