only a sith deals in absolutes lol, my favorite ironic phrase

Well that would be the definition

Accepted by many

The state or worker control of the means of production

when I google socialism I get "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." And I accept your definition as *one* definition of socialism, but the part of your definition that talks about a state controlled means of production is not necessarily regulated by the community is it?

so I take issue with the inclusion of totalitarian state run economies I guess, because they are not "socialized" by the community, but rather by the state who may not have the interests of the public at heart

but it goes to my point that socialism has been used in many different ways

That sounds like communism to me

At the start

So I think there's a distinction between a state run economy and socialism, although there's obvious overlap

that's just what I get when I google socialism

A state run economy would be socialist

every definition I can find specifies that the *people* need to be involved somehow

it would be if the people ran the state

you see the difference?

The people run the state

how do you distinct between people and well, people?

haha, between people in charge and otherwise?

A controlled economy is not inherently socialist

you look at whether they have elections

thank you obama lol

A planned economy IS socialist

and whether the elections are fair

no sir

yes

not at all

any planned economy is strictly socialist

Chungus

Socialism is a dictatorship of the proletariat

no hahaha

Big Chungus

Socialism is the means of production owned by the state or workers

by the state if the workers help decide the state

dictatorship of it “proletariat “ has a very fluid definition

otherwise it's not the community

Unless the workers have full control, of the means of production it is not socialism.

which is the entire point

They switch their definitions of workers all the time

Yes it is

It counts as socialism is the MoP is state run

Well if we redefine everything to fit your view then yes you are right