It hurts government as a whole but it hurts Trump more

Any deal that has been proposed has been backed out of, the Democrats even touch the deal their voter base will tear them a third asshole

Well no trump actually backed out of the original deal which both republicans and democrats in congress supported

The 1 billion for border security deal?

No idea how much money it was

That still isn't a deal on building a wall.

Just border security.

Yes thats why he didnt sign it

It's not enough, the Democrats have even denied upcoming deals even before Trump released his proposal

If they're that open saying there's no issue, yet they say they'll give a whole BILLION dollars for it, is contradicting.

My prediction is Trump is going to keep proposing deals to troll them, then in February he's declaring the emergency

Well obviously they're against the wall that's not why the dems won't make a deal with Trump though....

Even when they're meant to be working on a deal, Pelosi decides to fly elsewhere.

At this point Trump is just letting the Democrats dig their own grave

Not really

Yeah they don't even care

It's making Trump look just as bad as democrats lol

Either of them won't make a deal

He promised a wall, if he doesn't deliver, he won't win 2020, simple.

And Trump is basically holding the gov hostage

He can't get it done legit so he holds the gov hostage for it to get done

If you cant get it passed in congress then it doesn't get passed it's how the founding fathers wanted our gov to work

That's not how you're supposed to govern

The Democrats should accept it, it's 5.7B dollars out of a 4.4T annual budget, and he even proposed 300M towards DACA.

It's actually quite one-sided contrary to what you might think. You can't negotiate with people that aren't even willing to listen to the proposal

The democrats logic is, if they give in and let Trump have his wall, every single time Trump will want anything done he will shut down the government until the dems give in

And fly away to other countries for a whole week.

Its the same logic as to way we don't give terrorists what they ask for when they get hostages

Since they will then try and get more hostages since they know they will get what they want

Trump will then try to get something done, it will be unpopular and won't get passed in congress, so Trump refuses to sign anything shutting down the gov until he gets what he wants

That's not how you're supposed to govern

How can we have debate nights when all our libgays are squeakers

Im 20 lol

Democrats want to make sure Trump does not get a wall to make him look bad and not win 2020, they know damned wall it's only 5.7B out of a 4.4T annual budget and it's what he promised and he is not going to back down, even Pelosi decided to fly to foreign countries for a week when she was meant to negotiate a deal with Trump, he just proposed a new deal giving 300M to DACA.

I'm sorry to hear that lol

What

They don't care government workers aren't getting paid, they know the media will spin it so Trump is the bad guy.

You realize Trump is doing the EXACT same thing lol

Trump is doing this because he knows if he gets the wall done he'll win re-election, he also knew in advance that dems wouldn't want to fund the wall but he does it anyway to make the dems look bad

This wouldn't be a problem if the DNC wasn't fucking retarded

I don't see Trump flying to Afghanistan in the middle of a shutdown negotiation lol