Message from Sheamus in Willem Petzer Live Chat #local-news
The US is not a democracy, in spite of the lie that you keep hearing from their democrats. I agree, dividing us up into self governed states is a better idea, it's a step up, but will need to make the necessary adjustments to our constitution for that i believe, which requires a particular large vote in support. It will probably be easier to just get together somewhere, and secede from the country through legal means, without really offending or forcing the rest of the country to follow the dictation of the minority, and then establish ourselves independently like Orania. Less risk that way, they did it and look at them, they materialized it, and we need to follow in their footsteps, and go in the same direction, if we intend to have what they have.
My bad then, I apologise. Probably not the best example to make. I do admit that it was based off of an assumption and here i am, made an ass over it 😅 but okay, they still made it happen without playing shady politics, just got it done.
Personally I think secession will be necessary to avoid the shift in power that state will achieve to expropriate private property. Its a pity, i genuinely thought Orania seceded, maybe it was their own currency that mislead my understanding, i made the mistake of judging on appearance. Lol but as such I'll reinforce righteous judgement. Thank you for correcting me @Gonzo
@Gonzo @Sheamus I must say, as an American who has been following the situation in SA for a year or so (and I am of course by no means an expert), I must say that you both make fantastic points and arguments that I think are worth deep consideration. I would ask the gentleman who seems to be in favor of supporting the DA, albeit as a first step/temporary solution, that, lets say Afrikanners do, somehow, migrate/reproduce enmass in the Western Cape; I hear the ANC is attempting to flood the province with its members/supporters; even if this is not true, what's to say that mass amounts of blacks would not flood into the WC and simply takeover from the whites? Are invidivual provinces in SA allowed to have their own "immigration systems". Enjoying the discussion immensley fellows! 😃
@Gonzo The federal state solution is the easiest short term solution, but will still kill us in the long run. Any provincial law will have to be subject to the current constitution, which is already a product of bs ideas. The state can also pass laws that counter or circumvent any provincial law that you would want to enact so you are still at the mercy of the MAJORITY. Even if we seceded to a federal type state, whites are still only 8%. In a democracy, you will still be subject to the mob which means (in the case of the cape) you'll just be ruled by mongrels in stead of blacks.
Now here's the kicker: This is going to happen. Because there is already 1 and a half generation that have been conditioned to accept the mongrel as an equal because they mostly speak our language and have adopted our customs and habits to alarge degree. Your children will be further conditioned and socialised at school to assimilate through proximity and the school system while the (((media))) conditions them to think mescegenation is acceptable, cool or preferable.
So yes, you might win for one generation, but your children and granchildren will not survive.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG And because peaple are desperate for a solution they will think this is a godsend when really it is a delayed death warrant.
@HoppeanSnake_ZA I agree half and half. I believe in volksraad. A council of men from your own people. Voting is reserved for those who pay taxes and have children and have served the nation. IQ tests and genetic tests should be mandatory to ensure that only the best have a say in the future of the NATION. The council and any state official that is guilty of corruption should be seen as betraying the trust vested in them by the volk and therefore are traitors to the volk. Death must be swift. Serving on the council must be a burden. A terrifying burden.
You want this party to rule?
@Gonzo Is the envisioned future according to these youth posters saving our culture?
@Gonzo lol you get used to it, he is just obsessed with race like the liberal left are. If only [insert race] could be done away with, all problems would be solved. As if there aren't bigger and more concerning problems that go deeper than skin.
@Gonzo Okay correct me if I'm wrong. Your plan is for all the afrikaners to give our votes to the (((DA))) to remove the (((ANC)))? Then we all move to a certain province to become the majority ruled by the (((DA))). Then we ask the (((DA))) if we can have a federal type state where we have more control over governmental systems so that we can take power away from the (((DA)))? Then once we have our own party, we let the free(mason) market rule through its networks?
And the ultimate end goal is saving our culture?
Much better argument that
Not as deep as ideas and values that make up our culture. Race is too shallow of an argument to make honestly. You can keep your racial opinion, it doesn't bother me because i have no intention to force you to stray from familiarity, which even I would prefer, but your loyalty should be deeper than the superficial color you obsess over.
How bout that superficial colour again?
Lol what is the argument there exactly?
@Sheamus well the "truth" of your statement rests on the notion that race is only skin deep which is obviously false. The notion that the ideas, values and culture of a people are more important than the physical genetic existence of that people that embody and created said values ideas culture is just....fuck.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG To put it as simply as I can put it would be to say that the corn flakes are more valuable than the continued ability to grow corn.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG lol my truth rests on reality. If I hypothetically wanted to procreate with an actual animal, it's impossible to do naturally, and if forced genetically, the reproductive system is then disabled for the offspring. To me that is a clear sign of my creators disapproval. Same goes with inbreeding, penalties are incurred. Fact is, different races of human beings can reproduce naturally without being forced through genetic modifications to work, and even by natural procreation, there is no penalty to prohibit further procreation. Therefore as per the creators command to be fruitful and multiply, i see no problem here, and this is fact and reality. Your propaganda doesn't say much to prove much.
Again, i have no problem with your preference and selfish desire, because even myself have the very same selfish desire to have my children look like me, this is very understandable, and obviously you would use whatever biased information/propaganda to justify your selfish desire. However, you serve only your selfish desire, and not a will greater than your own selfish desire. So long as you don't push your propaganda as God's will, or try use Christian literature to justify your propaganda, i really don't care about your personal selfish desires.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG already have in previous argument, just because you don't accept the response, does not mean i have not answered it. Again, we have different values, different understanding, and our loyalties serve different rulers.
I asked for two witnesses as scripture dictates. I gave you multiple witnesses throughout the scripture. You gave me some spiritual mongrel nonsense that doesn't exist in scripture and then gave me two verses by paul. Only one witness.
One witness taken out of context I might add.
Anyone interes in seeing the slaughter can scroll up to the top of the theology thread.
@$P!KY\/!k!NG actually i did, but your reaction to it was a questionable witness, so you wrote it off.. I'm not going to rehearse this again, as I've said, i know where your loyalties lie, i know who you really serve, there is no other point to make here, you openly betrayed the greatest commandment proudly, and the second great commandment. So I'm content leaving this argument as resolved. You want to serve two different masters, i trust you understand the implication there of.
@Gonzo Secession. But a nation state. It won't be had without conflict. And without the will to accept the inevitable conflict you will be stuck in a multiracial multicultural liberal democracy with a smaller landmass and a smaller budget. And that's if you can convince the (((DA))) to give you more self rule so that you can take power away from them. You're essentially just moving the shackle from the left foot to the right.
War would be inevitable, would be easier to collectively defend a border, than individually defend our properties.
@Sheamus That's the only weakness the cape secessionist movement has. It has the will and common sense to secede but no means to enforce the secession.
You don't start a war, the war is started opposing you. No where are the boere asking to start a war, it's EFF and BLF who are the ones saying land must be taken by force. They are the ones that will start the war.
@Gonzo It wouldn't be wise to explain here. But suffice to say that I and my associates have heard your exact plan before at a volkraad meeting and it is the most practical solution in terms of avoiding conflict. I'm not against it, but it is at best delaying the inevitable. This is by no means a new idea and has been considered years ago.