Message from rob in Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars

2018-07-20 13:37:14 UTC  

and emotional people need to be shown truth emotionally

2018-07-20 13:37:51 UTC  

in my mind science has explained religion and they align perfectly, the people that disagree are humanities students

2018-07-20 13:38:31 UTC  

spiritual people need to know god directly like you are advocating @Deejay from Earth

2018-07-20 13:38:33 UTC  

DeeJay, you are saying we should do nothing, fast and be lazy, unlearn what we've learnt, ideas are bad.... But then you go on to propagate ideas none the less, aren't you?

2018-07-20 13:39:13 UTC  

but some people in our societies are shamans and some are musicians and some are inventors and they all express god through their attention

2018-07-20 13:40:00 UTC  

Yes and they all participate in the material realm.

2018-07-20 13:40:08 UTC  

I think that the mass of communists in south africa still have gogos that pay funeral cover for a big funeral because they believe in god

2018-07-20 13:40:20 UTC  

and I think that's the angle that needs to be worked in south africa

2018-07-20 13:41:10 UTC  

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.

2018-07-20 13:41:19 UTC  

@Sheamus The lazy, unkept and disorganized people are always the spiritual ones.

2018-07-20 13:41:22 UTC  

it is critical that we evolve spiritually

2018-07-20 13:42:50 UTC  

different types of people exist, some are messy, some are organised, some talk to god at night, some don't but we all have the potential to speak to god. Our purpose though is to live the life god intended, not to escape it.

2018-07-20 13:43:09 UTC  

Lol it does evolve into many different branches

2018-07-20 13:43:09 UTC  

Ditsem! @Sheamus, you just advanced to level 7!

2018-07-20 13:44:30 UTC  

Yes, agreed.. Measured by the Golden rule, very reasonable to agree with that. To serve a will greater than our selfish desires.

2018-07-20 13:45:25 UTC  

The bhagavad gita starts with Arjuna(a great warrior) facing an army of his cousins and starting to wonder whether all the bloodshed is worth it... Krishna (his friend) arrives, reveals his true identity as Krishna and explains that Arjuna is a great warrior and that he _must_ fight and then proceeds to explain the nature of reality to Arjuna

2018-07-20 13:49:16 UTC  

Picture if you will the Wise Man of the idyllic small village in the mountains. What is the role of the holy man of the village? Obviously he is the spiritual leader. He is also the political adviser to the Chief. He is also the engineer and the doctor. He is also the medicine man. So in my view, Spirituality is knowledge as well the ability to think and reason logically and critically. To have the answers. And isn't that what people want from their God, answers? Spiritual people live for helping others, materialist people live only for themselves. The spiritual man understands the nature of his reality as well as his place in it. And this ability is meant for everyone. It's natural and physiological. Not ideological.

2018-07-20 13:51:12 UTC  

@Deejay from Earth interesting, I like the idea of the Renaissance man being able to do a bit of everything, and certainly today you can be quite a prolific tinkerer in the material realm in mainstream society

2018-07-20 13:51:23 UTC  

Lol all of that can only be understood by ideas... Why do you oppose using a reasonable definition for ideology, why do you insist using your definition that vilifies it? Where is this prejudice rooted?

2018-07-20 13:51:51 UTC  

I think we're tripping over words here

2018-07-20 13:51:57 UTC  

A three day fast is what Easter is actually about. Your old immune system dies and is born again.

2018-07-20 13:52:35 UTC  

I think ideas and ideology are different

2018-07-20 13:52:47 UTC  

I think ideology is the worship of ideas

2018-07-20 13:52:48 UTC  


2018-07-20 13:53:06 UTC  

so you have an ideology

2018-07-20 13:53:14 UTC  

that is the idea that you worship

2018-07-20 13:53:15 UTC  

It's a collection of ideas, axioms and maxims, principles.

2018-07-20 13:53:25 UTC  

like capitalism, etc

2018-07-20 13:53:38 UTC  

so in the outside world it is fine

2018-07-20 13:53:49 UTC  

there are loads of ideologies

2018-07-20 13:54:26 UTC  

but in the spiritual world it isn't fine to subscribe to any ideology that doesn't put a personal connection between you and god

2018-07-20 13:56:28 UTC  

Yes and ideology shapes your perception right? Influences your choices and the way you understand and interact with the material world. It's a collection of ideas that shape your understanding. Religion is probably the better term to define the worshipping of an idea.

2018-07-20 13:57:20 UTC  

so if you 'believe' in social justice you put the cause of social justice in your heart, if you 'believe' in capitalism you put money in your heart

2018-07-20 13:57:32 UTC  

and you always try to accumulate more of that

2018-07-20 13:58:25 UTC  

but the point of the major religions was working out that actually you have this port in your heart to the source of all creation and that is the only thing worth going there

2018-07-20 13:58:28 UTC  

Yes, those ideas you prefer, form your ideological perception of the world and w what you value.

2018-07-20 13:59:42 UTC  

read the Crichton PDF "Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is
environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for
urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs.
If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect
21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature,
there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating
from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a
judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die,
unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability
is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its
communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right
beliefs, imbibe." consider how these hardwired biological slots get filled by ideology

2018-07-20 14:01:44 UTC  

Same story being repeated in a fresh perspective... The present rhymes like that with history.

2018-07-20 14:02:49 UTC  

My basis is the physiological reality, as I said the chakra system maps to the glands in the endochrine system, your body produces extremely powerful tryptamines and an orgasm in your pineal gland could definitely trigger a spiritual experience, all of the religions seem to be started by someone who unlocks the secret and chooses to help humanity (