Message from @Indigo

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2018-12-10 13:04:39 UTC  

@Men Are Human Additionally, has the article gone a bit off the rails from what you were hoping for?

2018-12-10 13:05:08 UTC  

Unless you say otherwise that should be pretty close to the final form of the thing

2018-12-10 13:08:52 UTC  

@InsaneCaterpilla How do you feel about the introduction in particular?

2018-12-10 13:11:16 UTC  

Idk, I find perhaps asking the same question basically twice at the start wrong, but maybe it's just me.

2018-12-10 13:13:04 UTC  

That's fair, I was rather challenged by trying to find something introductory for this. I saw your earlier suggestion but couldn't quite agree with the claims.

2018-12-10 13:13:22 UTC  

But I feel it'd have to be replaced with something

2018-12-10 13:13:28 UTC  

and I haven't a clue what

2018-12-10 13:13:44 UTC  

So Why do boys lag behind girls in academic achievement?

2018-12-10 13:14:29 UTC  

What is the article's title

2018-12-10 13:15:01 UTC  

A good introduction depends on the title

2018-12-10 13:16:56 UTC  

People will notice that you asked it twice. Beside anything else, it just *sounds* wrong

2018-12-10 13:17:59 UTC  

"Our sons are in a substatial disadvantage in our educational system and what can we do about it."

2018-12-10 13:18:11 UTC  

"Why do boys lag behind girls in academic achievement?" In the third paragraph I basically just say "it's complicated". I actually try not to address that, since a bunch of the reason boys lag behind girls has nothing to do with the school system. For instance, boys are more affected by poverty and fatherlessness than girls, boys have a harder time sitting still and with auditory learning. Boys are less motivated by the classroom environment as it is now than girls (but not necessarily by all classroom environments) partially because it just doesn't cater to boys and we're still figuring out the pedagogy thing. This affect seems to be larger in topics other than math and science. Boys are also apparently discriminated against.

2018-12-10 13:18:53 UTC  

In many cases we can't just "do this" and deal with the issues, which should be obvious from the issues mentioned in the 2nd paragraph

2018-12-10 13:19:15 UTC  

Perhaps I can incorporate some of what I just said into the introduction

2018-12-10 13:19:51 UTC  

but most of that is going to feel rather handwavey

2018-12-10 13:20:10 UTC  

and perhaps a little hard to cite

2018-12-10 13:20:21 UTC  

I could probably find a citation for boys being less suited to auditory learning

2018-12-10 13:20:42 UTC  

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2018-12-10 13:20:55 UTC  

Secondly, the advantage, while substantial in impact on boys, is relatively slight. Relatively

2018-12-10 13:21:34 UTC  

It's a headline, it needs to get attention

2018-12-10 13:21:46 UTC  

Otherwise people won't click

2018-12-10 13:22:19 UTC  

it works out to boys being somewhere between 0.22 of a standard deviation behind, but that's over a large period of time, it might be smaller or larger if I were to try to find results for just the last decade

2018-12-10 13:22:22 UTC  

"what can we do about it" is a call to action and it works psychologicallly

2018-12-10 13:22:44 UTC  

I like that, and I also don't have a problem with answering "well, its complicated"

2018-12-10 13:22:56 UTC  

and then going into the details

2018-12-10 13:23:04 UTC  

thanks, I'll do that

2018-12-10 13:23:10 UTC  

That's a question I can ask. I'll use it to fix the double-question.

2018-12-10 13:23:11 UTC  

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2018-12-10 13:23:14 UTC  

As for the title, that is harder

2018-12-10 13:23:33 UTC  

Right now my heading is simply "An Issue of Education", which on a site called menarehuman should be descriptive enough

2018-12-10 13:23:45 UTC  

But it might not be the best

2018-12-10 13:24:28 UTC  

In general practice, it's better to be more descriptive

2018-12-10 13:24:50 UTC  

Yeah, but how does one be more descriptive on what is effectively a rather broad research paper?

2018-12-10 13:26:11 UTC  

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2018-12-10 13:26:29 UTC  

For the two of you, do you have any comments for the end of the article?

2018-12-10 13:27:08 UTC  

I could use a second opinion on that even before the middle stuff is dealt with.

2018-12-10 13:27:31 UTC  

I mean, anyway our sons being at disadvantage is the gist of the paper, right

2018-12-10 13:27:50 UTC  

I suppose I don't think so

2018-12-10 13:28:17 UTC  

The point, I think, is that they aren't fully supported (and are suffering as a result).

2018-12-10 13:29:17 UTC  

Although relative disadvantage is pretty useful when demonstrating that there is a problem, it is difficult when it comes to making the issue matter. Because relative disadvantage doesn't really matter by itself