Hrm. I think I have to disagree with that. Because of my earlier feedback, I disagree with the structure of your additions and not just the facts. I don't think it remains coherent after corrected. Sorry.

I think what I have to ask of you is that if you're going to make those sorts of additions, those additions have to be removed and replaced, not merely rewritten. I'm not objecting to making those sorts of additions at all, but I do think that those particular additions, both the overall argument of them and the individual facts, don't reflect truth.

Once that happens then I can totally just correct the facts of them and you can do the final touches and we can be done

But we aren't at that point now, I think.

"To succeed in school, you must appear to be incredibly passive and pliant. Sit up straight! Do your sums! Listen, take notes - and keep your mouth shut, unless the teacher asks you a question! You know the drill, and you know it well - you may even be having flashbacks to your own school days.
Parents, teachers, everyone, telling you to conform and sit still.
But most boys are incredibly energetic throughout their entire school life. Sitting down and being quiet is the opposite of what the average boy is – contrary what you may have been told. Even worse, boys mature at a slightly different rate to girls – and in a rather different way. Boys are full of energy, and highjinks, and the need to run about. Boys will literally leap out of their seats and go zooming about the class like rockets – if given half a chance."

That is kinda the meat of the intro, and as I noted in my recent objection in context it wrongly condemns schools. When removed or altered to handle that objection I feel it is substantially off-topic.

Similarly, the second addition after school bias I don't think remains part of the paper after the objectionable parts are changed/removed: "This means that boys don’t come close to catching up with girls " and "Feminists especially are keen to see girls not only succeed, but utterly dominate." in particular.

Personally, I think schools play a big role in this

Okay, lets remove the "This means that boys don’t come close to catching up with girls "

Though we could cite the rate at which boys pass their GCSEs, which is much lower than girls.

"This means that boys don’t come close to catching up with girls " and "Feminists especially are keen to see girls not only succeed, but utterly dominate." could well be cited by the Teligraph article. If they don't want to help boys, their motive seems clear to me

"Though we could cite the rate at which boys pass their GCSEs" This is indeed great to mention, that's almost 10 percentage points.

Hrm, I think feminists not wanting to help boys has more to do with the bloody patriarchy narrative than a desire for girls to kick the crap out of boys at school.

And as I said, this is borne out by the fact that feminists seem more likely to go towards inaction rather than active discrimination. In fact, in that very article we have somewhat feminist organizations permit quite a bit of movement on boys' education issues

By the way, what *is* the difference between a GCSE and A-level over on that side of the pond?

Two years of study at college or sixth form

Sixth form?

Or the insistance that boys and girls are exactly the same - so boys need the same things girls find helpful.. as almost all teachers up till kids are 11 are female then its hard for them to appreciate its different

Sixth form is like college but it's at high school. Usually in a separate building

There are five years of high school normally, so its called sixth form

Okay, So A-level is college-track high school, and GSCE is college...quasigraduation?

Kids do multiple exams- sats are mostly meaningless but change expectations of those around the kids (age 7, 10, age 13 approx).. then gcses at age 16.. they allow you to go to 'college' to do A levels till age 18/19 then uni for 3 years if wished etc

At age 16 the students typically take exams for the General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE) or other Level 1/2qualifications. While education is compulsory until 18, schooling is compulsory to 16, thus post-16 education can take a number of forms, and may be academic or vocational. This can involve continued schooling, known as "sixth form" or "college", leading (typically after two years of further study) to A-levelqualifications (similar to a high school diploma in some other countries), or a number of alternative Level 3 qualifications such asBusiness and Technology Education Council(BTEC), the International Baccalaureate (IB),Cambridge Pre-U, WJEC or Eduqas. It can also include work-based apprenticeships or traineeships, or volunteering.[12][13]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_England

Okay, so GCSEs are the exam more representative of elementary school results

Ummm, no

Aaah haha

Unless you finish elementary school at 16

Then yes

lol

Education is compulsary in some form till 18 now i was led to believe- hence why young people are doing more apprenicships

Well, I mean, 16 would be the end of junior high or first year of high school, so it isn't super far off

But then I'm thinking elementary as being kindergarten through until high school

which might not be accurate

..

The main thing is that GCSEs are something every kid takes, but not every kid takes A-Level, and GSCEs are prior to completion of high school

Is that correct at least?

@Men Are Human I'm certainly willing to budge on accusing feminists of being female supremacist with respect to schooling. That indeed *seems* to be the case. However, this isn't BadgerFeed, I presume this is the sort of thing nonMRM folks are going to be directed to, so if that point is going to be made, I think the point should have a robust argument for it

No, GCSE's are at the end of high school

Some kids arent able to take gcses because it would bring the schools score down so they are put in for other stuff but most are expected to (bet the rate of males v females being expelled from academies is 'interesting' too)

After high school you have sixth form or college

Then university