Message from @InsaneCaterpilla
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Honestly, just one year is probably enough
To really drive home a point
If there's any political experts out there who can figure out how long it'll take to get the necessary changes made to end alimony and pardon these people, message me
My guess is actually more like 4 years
How do you plan to convince people to do this? It would be a massive disruption of their lives... I'm sorry, I reallyndont see this ever happening
Civil disobedience is exactly that
I mean Ghandi got people to starve themselves in protest
If it matters enough to them, they'll do it. And from how I'm planning this, these people will be doing a lot better than starving
And honestly, this is a big issue
Alimony and child support literally enslave innocent men
I think that's worth a little hardship if it means we can finally get rid of it completely
I mean, do you really think the better alternative is letting people stay in their home countries, and having their wages garnished, debts amassing, and having them thrown in jail?
I don't think so
You think it's worth it. But it's not about what you think, it's about making others think that too
Exactly
So ask someone who's paying what they think
Literally ask them
We can do surveys and polls for this sort of thing
But honestly, in my view, it won't go away until we can get overwhelming proof that the vast majority of women will be fine without forced financial support from men
And that won't be easy to do without some kind of strike
That would be a good way to gauge how many you can get to do it, but you might be disappointed... That would be the first step though, to ask how many are willing to. Then after that you can contact the people who you think might fund it
What do you mean saying they will be fine without forced financial support from men? That's obvious, there's day care and minimum wage jobs. After a child starts elementary school the mother can work during school hours. And she should receive some form of child support if she has the child the majority of the time, it's the amount that is always way too high
Being British I see any gap between what the father can afford and what he can't to be covered by the government
Now by 'see' I don't mean that's always what happens, I mean that's how I view it should be
Whether she should even get to have the child the majority of the time at all is another discussion
But forcing men to pay women who likely have similar work credentials as the men who left them is ridiculous
Yes, it is another discussion, but not relevant here since we are talking about this circumstance
Again, this is 2018
Most women are getting college degrees and making $30000+ a year, usually a lot more than that
Also, once alimony and child support are abolished, women will be a lot more careful about having children
Well that depends really. If the woman is spending more time with the child rather than working outside of day care hours then child support applies to that. If she pays for day care the father should share the cost of that
Many will likely get abortions
The only reason so many women choose to keep children they can't pay for is because they know the father WILL
I think you need to make it clear that you are only talking about non-couples/not married people because you haven't so far
This is 100% about non-couples and non-married people
You think that alimony and child support happen to men in comfortable, stable relationships with the mother?
Because they don't. That comes when things go south and the man no longer wants to pay
People separate, lives don't go as planned, and then yes things like that happen
And at that point, men should not be legally obligated to support people who can largely support themselves
I agree in regards to alimony, not to child support. They aren't both as bad as each other when you lump them together like that
Okay, I kind of get your point