Message from @InsaneCaterpilla

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2018-12-01 01:05:58 UTC  

I honestly feel like more people would do it that way

2018-12-01 01:06:30 UTC  

I mean who genuinely wants to lose all their assets, have their wages garnished, face tens of thousands in debt, and go to jail?

2018-12-01 01:06:51 UTC  

We can at least try to make it hard for the government to get anything out of it

2018-12-01 01:09:23 UTC  

Once they are extradited, all of that will happen, where it may not happen otherwise.

You might get some people to do this but the monumental task if getting them all to do it at the same time is unrealistic

2018-12-01 01:09:45 UTC  

Also, if you hit the government in the wallet, which what I'm describing definitely will, that'll be taken more seriously

2018-12-01 01:10:05 UTC  

You know how much it costs to extradite every last person paying child support or alimony in the US?

2018-12-01 01:10:20 UTC  

You've gotta go through the legal procedure and pay to have them flown back

2018-12-01 01:10:23 UTC  

and then put them in jail

2018-12-01 01:10:35 UTC  

For every single one of them

2018-12-01 01:10:40 UTC  

The costs would be monumental

2018-12-01 01:11:20 UTC  

I imagine the government wouldn't even do it. The costs would probably outweigh the benefit of seizing a bunch of poor people's bank accounts

2018-12-01 01:12:00 UTC  

Who's gonna pay for the poor people to leave the country and the costs of living in another one? You?

2018-12-01 01:12:48 UTC  

I'm not rich, but I bet I could find someone who could assist in funding people who can't afford a plane ticket and a few months' rent

2018-12-01 01:13:52 UTC  

Plane tickets aren't so expensive these days either, so if you go somewhere else and get a job there, I bet you'd be fine

2018-12-01 01:14:44 UTC  

How would it only be a few months though, if they're poor they may not have marketable job skills, in a new country they have no legal right to work in meaning they'll probably be working below minimum wage if they do find employment there. It'll be an on going cost to try and support them

2018-12-01 01:16:38 UTC  

If they're capable of surviving here, they can probably survive somewhere else in the world. If not, the way I see it, we're giving them a chance to stick it to the people who put them there and give them some help on the side. It's not just going to be pitifully poor people doing this either. Middle class people who aren't doing hot because of payments could probably also participate. And all of this is assuming that there's not enough funding to make this last for years

2018-12-01 01:18:09 UTC  

Honestly, just one year is probably enough

2018-12-01 01:18:14 UTC  

To really drive home a point

2018-12-01 01:19:07 UTC  

If there's any political experts out there who can figure out how long it'll take to get the necessary changes made to end alimony and pardon these people, message me

2018-12-01 01:19:18 UTC  

My guess is actually more like 4 years

2018-12-01 01:19:25 UTC  

How do you plan to convince people to do this? It would be a massive disruption of their lives... I'm sorry, I reallyndont see this ever happening

2018-12-01 01:19:35 UTC  

Civil disobedience is exactly that

2018-12-01 01:19:50 UTC  

I mean Ghandi got people to starve themselves in protest

2018-12-01 01:20:23 UTC  

If it matters enough to them, they'll do it. And from how I'm planning this, these people will be doing a lot better than starving

2018-12-01 01:20:50 UTC  

And honestly, this is a big issue

2018-12-01 01:21:01 UTC  

Alimony and child support literally enslave innocent men

2018-12-01 01:21:29 UTC  

I think that's worth a little hardship if it means we can finally get rid of it completely

2018-12-01 01:22:44 UTC  

I mean, do you really think the better alternative is letting people stay in their home countries, and having their wages garnished, debts amassing, and having them thrown in jail?

2018-12-01 01:22:48 UTC  

I don't think so

2018-12-01 01:22:56 UTC  

You think it's worth it. But it's not about what you think, it's about making others think that too

2018-12-01 01:23:05 UTC  

Exactly

2018-12-01 01:23:12 UTC  

So ask someone who's paying what they think

2018-12-01 01:23:17 UTC  

Literally ask them

2018-12-01 01:23:44 UTC  

We can do surveys and polls for this sort of thing

2018-12-01 01:24:47 UTC  

But honestly, in my view, it won't go away until we can get overwhelming proof that the vast majority of women will be fine without forced financial support from men

2018-12-01 01:24:58 UTC  

And that won't be easy to do without some kind of strike

2018-12-01 01:27:31 UTC  

That would be a good way to gauge how many you can get to do it, but you might be disappointed... That would be the first step though, to ask how many are willing to. Then after that you can contact the people who you think might fund it

2018-12-01 01:30:52 UTC  

What do you mean saying they will be fine without forced financial support from men? That's obvious, there's day care and minimum wage jobs. After a child starts elementary school the mother can work during school hours. And she should receive some form of child support if she has the child the majority of the time, it's the amount that is always way too high

2018-12-01 01:31:22 UTC  

Being British I see any gap between what the father can afford and what he can't to be covered by the government

2018-12-01 01:32:14 UTC  

Now by 'see' I don't mean that's always what happens, I mean that's how I view it should be

2018-12-01 01:33:36 UTC  

Whether she should even get to have the child the majority of the time at all is another discussion