And then trying to get a definition

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS you were not argued into defending it, its what you clearly set out to do

@InsaneCaterpilla bullshit

I'm not so sure Caterpilla

He was trying to defend feminism against accusations of bigotry on account of patriarchy theory

It sure seems that way to me, so 'bullshit' all you want, I'm not gonna think contrary to how it appears

at least, that's how I read it

Oh definitely, but in doing so he was refining patriarchy to meet his own narrative

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS was set out to limit patriarchy theory to just the rule of men and to remove the patriarchy is the cause of female oppression part

not really, i was using the Geek Feminism Wiki definition

As opposed to almost every feminist thinker

Well now we get to stop guessing at what Sick was trying to say and hear him say it 😉

@Indigo yes, the most prominent feminist wiki lists ideas opposed to almost every feminist thinker

riiiight

Hence There's a difference between what feminists claim to do and what actually they do

Because of course that is what *you* would get out of it

@PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS yup, not like any ideology has ever had a disconnect between what they say they do and what they actually do before, right?

I'm not following this

You're saying that the Geek Feminism definition says that patriarchy theory is not a concept of oppression?

I think that's very hard to agree on

"the system of gender-based hierarchy in society which assigns most power to men, and assigns higher value to men, maleness, and "masculine traits"

verbatim

**which assigns most power to men**

You all seem to agree that doesn't imply oppression, even in context

Specifically the context of assigning higher value to men

(which I disagree with)

...

How can you disagree with your own definition of it

It is not my definition

I never claimed it was

Now if you would kindly all shut up for a minute or two

I would like to write up what I think

"Well now we get to stop guessing at what Sick was trying to say and hear him say it 😉"

as @asparkofpyrokravte said

@Indigo Actually the reason we dint work with feminists is because MRA's tried to, many times, and didn't get anywhere

Also say what you wish but you have no authority to silence others

I know, as Warren Farrel and Erin pizzey did

Farrell was successful for quite some time

And Pizzey was always hostile to feminists

Well, hopefully, Sick is just saying to stop @ing him for a bit so he can do a writeup in notepad or something and then paste it

Pizzey being hostile since feminists denied that men can be victims of domestic violence.