But the idea that we should view fat people as attractive and we are fatphobic? (not sure if its the right word) if we dont is just ridiculous

Yeah, that exists. It's ridiculous.

Also there is a double standard to fat acceptance as well. Hell, even fat women usually say they wouldnt date fat men (while shame men that wont date fat women) which is just pure hypocricy

Yeah, actually I had that same thought recently. Have any of you seen the movie Dumplin'?

You can lose weight you can't gain height

I havent

So without spoiling anything let's just say the movie is basically a fat acceptance movie.

Thats also true @Bobby_Hill

and the fat girl gets this hot buff guy

which, IDK, just felt like fat woman wish fulfillment to me

Yeah, sounds about right

I mean, just watch video clips of fat acceptance ads. They almost always have fat women and hot buff guys

hahaha, yeah. That is true

Not to mention the lack of fat male models

Never heard about one tbh

My friend likes to hateshare Tess Holliday posts on Instagram

I will say her BF isn't really hot or buff

Height isn't a preference for women anymore its a req

Requirement

but I guess that's the difference in what is actually attainable if you're fat compared with what you might fantasize about.

Yeah for sure

I mean at the end of the day, you cant shame people for their taste

Just dont be rude about it

IDK, is height really that big a thing? I mean I know it is for some women but..... it doesn't seem like all or most women are that obsessed with height. I mean, just basing this off being a gay man with female friends.

It's not unusual for women to date men about the same height or tall women with shorter men, it seems like to me.

I've heard some dating apps have height filters

But as I said, I cant get mad at a girl for not dating me for my height. I will think she is shallow, but thats about it.

Yeah, makes sense.

I will say that no one really seems very happy with dating. Both women and men seem to be complaining about the others standards and feel frustrated.

I believe our standards have increased in this tinder/grindr/instagram era

Yeah, and most interactions on the apps are short term. People ghost quickly, etc.

Yeah for sure

There is little incentive to stay with the same person when you know you can just replace them easily with the next person in line

Yeah, and when do you stop? The grass is always greener.

Exactly

We leave good to find better and sometimes stay with bad in fear of finding worse

But thats just my 2 dollars on the subject

Yeah, definitely true

Thanks for joining my TED talk

Speaking of debate, do any of you post on /r/femradebates ?

I dont post there but I like checking it