and that patriarchy and privilege requiring power as an ingredient, that's blood libel

and its false to begin with, whole-cloth historical revisionism

2nd wave had its stinkers too, Valenti and all, but the feminist establishment rejected that during 2nd wave. The objectional part there was more about gendering shit like DV through Koss' malicious research and applying gender neutrality only where it benefited women

this is all just making me think that I'm judging 4th Wave too harshly... like are there good things coming out of 4th Wave that I don't know about?

if 3rd Wave could be responsible for Roller Derby and Riot Grrl... does 4th Wave have something positive about it?

I'm telling you Riot Grrl was all aboard the hate movement, and all in on DV myths

well it was a subset of Punk

I do like punk

4th wave, if it does something good it'll probably be breaking down gender roles a tad more. They've also toned down the DV myths a lot since 3rd wave. But 4th wave is some scary shit.

They'll probably go further on paternity leave

its having a massive impact on Hollywood, which might be a good thing in the long run

Well, female protagonists in hollywood yes, everything else, not so much

I watch anime though which is much less feminist and never had a problem with female protagonists

well its dragged the sexploitation prevalent in Hollywood out into the open

No it did not

They buried the MenToo folks

The sexploitation prevalent in Hollywood largely favored women in the first place.

well Kevin Spacey's career didn't survive

thats something

But I hold a pretty dim view of Hollywood as a sexual industry in general.

yeah I think I'm reaching... I'm just a little unbalanced because I'm questioning my views on 3rd Wave so much now

MeToo was never about hollywood as far as I can tell, once it took off it was all about projecting power and turning victimhood points into popularity and revenge

But I do want to say is that people like to exaggerate the difference between 2nd wave and 3rd wave.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/

That there is not about the feminist mainstream mind you

which is what we've been talking about this whole time

But if you read that, you can see how 1st wave, 2nd wave, and 3rd wave all had parts that sound basically the same

..

Patriarchy theory was fringe 2nd wave and mainstream 3rd, but they were already talking about systematic oppression of women before 1st wave

the term was 2nd wave, but the idea was earlier

I honestly believe metoo and the hysterical "listen and believe" culture it didn't necessarily create, but greatly enhanced, is going to demotivate a generation of men from becoming successful

Think about it

What's the point of climbing the socioeconomic ladder

If at any point in time all it takes is one accusation from a woman

To get you fired, blacklisted from the industry, and left in ruins.

All without a trial.

It's also discouraging some guys from even going to university

because one accusation from a woman can get you expelled

again, without a trial.

And unless you have solid evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt that you are innocent (i.e. I have proof I wasn't in the country during the alleged incident and here's 37 witnesses who were in the room with me at the time to testify to that) then you will forever be guilty in the eyes of the general public. Even if you're found not guilty at a trial, the general public will look at you like you're a sexual predator that slipped through the cracks.

This is the near future we're talking about....a generation of young men who either live with their parents until they die and stay home watching anime and playing video games...or at most, getting a low profile minimum wage job and just laying low.