Finland has done some very basic studies, on a very small scale

Then there are no consumers left to support the rich to pay the consumers a basic income

thats making a lot of assumptions

Well where else is the money supposed to come from

the same can be said for any of the other social systems we currently have

Not exactly

Welfare is intentionally uncomfortable to live off of to motivate people to get jobs

if you have a basic income that's enough to live off of so many people would stop working but the system would just collapse

thats technically not true

welfare is meant to support people

That's my whole point welfare isn't enough to live off of

the concept of it being a motivation is a social construct, and has nothing to do with its purpose or creation

neither is Basic Income

It has everything to do with the low amount they pay people

1000 a month is not a living wage, its not even half a living wage is most places

1000 a month is not even a rent check in my state

So you are saying that in a world where everything is automated it would be impossible for the human population to have all of their basic needs automatically provided for?

Yes that's my point

plus I imagine Basic Income will work very much like EBT

In specific situation you described where everything is automated then nobody has jobs

where its not ACTUAL money

its more like an expense account

Ok so....what happens when all the jobs are automated?

Genocide?

Mass starvation?

They're never all going to be automated

Somebody has to keep the machines running

automation rates are expected to remove over 40% of the workforce in the next 60 years

thats pretty signifigant

The same thing happened during the industrial revolution

You think we can't create sentient AI with intelligence that matches or surpasses human intelligence?

The same thing happened with computers

A bunch of people lost their jobs and then people got jobs in New fields

It was a terrible situation for the people lost their jobs for sure but all of the jobs didn't go away

"The factory of the future will have two employees. A Man, and his dog. The Man will be there to take care of the dog, the dog will be there to insure the Man doesn't touch the machines."

Look I'm not totally against welfare

I would like to see a situation where everybody has a warm place to sleep and a place to shower and use the bathroom

But I'm against them having cellphones TVs

Cable

I just think Basic Income is an idea whose time has come

meaning we'll see a form of it deployed whether we want to or not