I'm trying to think though, because a thing like MensLib only really works based on the size of feminism (and just barely at that) I feel like anything else would quickly fade into obscurity

I share Abbysol's opinion on this

The cross-section of people who could find that useful are way too small

So I can't see that sort of community working out

an ask an MRA thing could be interesting if it doesnt exist already but I feel like that would just be repetitive stupidity and trolling and baiting.

I'm almost positive there's an ask an MRA sub

And there is also FemRA

I think menslib kind of acts like a gateway to wider MRM

Menslib is where people who could be concerned about men's issues go to be brainwashed

/Looks at mens lib... da fuck is this shit? /looks for something better

Most People who come there will find where it's fault lines lie and will jump ship

I think you really have to have come across the real MRM somehow in order to jump ship from that. For instance, I found it after watching Cassie's documentary.

@Abbysol @Indigo I don't have enough faith in people to believe that

but since real men's issues basically aren't talked about there

And I mean it actively tries to direct attention away from them. You can search the sub for Homelessness, Divorce, Domestic Violence, or stuff and find 2-3 results from years back. Actually 3 results was for Homelessness, the most discussed topic of the three.

So you aren't going to find the MRM through that

It's deficiencies are utterly evident

Ive seen a few people post on the MRM sub that came directly from Menslib because they where so disappointed

To find menslib you really need to be looking for a men's issues sub anyway, so if you find that one instead of a real one, it's only gonna be subverting some people away. If it didnt exist they would find men's rights anyway

Some people will be convinced enough to stay on menslib and buy into their crap

And that's the thing. I'm pretty sure people don't get dissatisfied with the MensLib way of doing things without first coming across the MRM

wouldn't know though, I am banned from r/feminism

I got banned from legaladviceuk for posting in men's rights

Compare the active users of /r/MensLib to something really, really fringe like /r/Antinatalism

Not posted in feminism

we need to put efforts mainly to chip away people from Lib

@Indigo the only way to do that is not to post in the sub itself but to speak up when anyone mentions menslib outside of the sub. Not that I think its particularly worthwhile doing.

I feel like the goal is not to aim at feminists but to aim more at normal people, I feel like most people are rational but only hear one side and dont really want to have to go out of their way for anything, is why I lend out my books and The Red Pill movie so much, since anyone I have lent it too has come back with "yeah, I see your point", the problem is also trying to come across and not trying to shove it down their throats either... it's all very complicated >.<

I'm actually worried it is something that would catch on as an idea

trying to convince a feminist of anything is trying to tell water not to be wet, there is no reasoning with crazy

Oh, there is a way

You fight crazy with itself

I feel like fighting crazy with crazy will just end up with 2 lunatics screaming at each other from such a distance that they can't actually hear each other

Possibly

It's something we could refine quite quickly.

Make it so that only conspiracy members can post topics

but anyone can comment

The thing is to get them to read our stuff - and they are so isolated as to not really know what our stuff is

I went on that against sub once... I felt like they where looking at a completely different movement then the one I was a part of :T

Yes

@Abbysol yep. They mostly fish in the comments