Ah, okay. I'll go dig it up, but the summary was that they were counting people at the hospital. So you get your failed poisonings, but not people who jump from 8 stories

I don't know if I am using the right words here but I do feel women generally are more pampered than men. Right from their childhood, everything seems a bar down for them when a guys' life seems to toughen up with every passing day, with more responsibility, more challenges and on a general basis less emotional support. And, this princess complex leads to emotional fragility on the other side, where with the chances of suicidal thoughts on facing a tough situation increases. Not generalising the fact, as exceptions always exist, but this is what I have observed. And I feel this contributes to the stat.

I can't remember which study it was I read, but I remember that female babies/children are more likely to be comforted when they're in distress than males are

I am not sure about that actually. Babies are equally vulnerable to diseases as their immune system is weak. Gender doesn't seem to be an issue here.

As a young child, I particularly remember being told by my father to stop crying when I got hurt, or he would 'give me something to cry about'

Same

I really need to go to sleep but I related that line so much

@lazzzycarrot(30) / senpai(40) :<

My family never said anything related to not crying. But whenever I cried publicly, I faced mocking rather than empathy. Somewhere down in the sub-conscious mind, I taught myself to not show emotions publicly.

Or If i cried as a child my mother told me to “man-up men don’t cry “

I'm not saying I never cry, but if I do I do it silently now, more akin to weeping

@InsaneCaterpilla https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6304a1.htm#tab27

There is a 2x figure

that is based on a survey

but it is only students

So it is quite possible I'm wrong on this

Here is a 2x ER study: Ghttps://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-015-0392-2

Oof, so many tables

So you're saying the flawed methodology in the first one is that it only applies to students, where females perhaps fair less well against the stresses of education, and are also overrepresented in education, and the second one is flawed by not taking into account anyone who hasn't been referred through a hospital for mental evaluation

Which study gave the 1.2x figure?

Yeah, the most common woozle for the 3x figure found here:https://save.org/about-suicide/suicide-facts/ appears to be from the CDC document here: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/suicide-datasheet-a.pdf, which shows closer to 2x for students, 3x was only for suicide attempts resulting in injury. Another cited one is here: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-depressed-patient-and-suicidal-patient-in-the-Chang-Gitlin/25c937bfe845f9f133d794b5f2c917df114ecf67

Whereas 1.2 comes from here https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

I remember finding the actual data from 2016 National Survey of Drug Use and Mental Health was difficult

because it is in this document: https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-DetTabs-2016/NSDUH-DetTabs-2016.pdf

which is thousands of pages...you can find it on page 2704

I'd like to share what is probably a very unpopular opinion toward reducing suicide, which is legalizing euthanasia. Not only would it allow people who live with severe pain to end their life, but it would bring into light more discussion on the topic of death. People would always know that it is an option for them, so they will be more open with themselves and others about it. I believe impulsive suicides would drop as a result.

What's your opinion on that @asparkofpyrokravte?

Found the right page for you there InsaneCaterpilla. You might also be able to find it in the non-detailed document.

which is somewhere

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I totally agree about legalizing euthanasia

100%

But I'm on the /r/SanctionedSuicide train by principle

Not really about reducing suicide rate

I expect the suicide rate would increase. I think it *should* increase.

With the goal being reducing human suffering

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I don't think suicide rates would drop.

I think that is more related to social alienation amoung other things, especially an inabillity to find meaning in a society that seems increasingly useless and self-destructive.

People generally have a drive to keep living and improve their situation. Men dont talk about things like ending their lives, but if they *did* feel able to... Perhaps they would be able to overcome it. Men have proven that without euthanasia they will kill themselves anyway, so I can't see how it would increase the suicide rate.

I don't think the problem of suicide is a failure to talk about problems. Having a better support structure (ie. reaction to cries for help) may help, but I think the effect will be relatively marginal.