Message from @InsaneCaterpilla
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Unfortunately, mental health professionals are often really, really bad at dealing with men, you can look into some of Elam's material for that
I think that's a great solution though
What counts as impulsive suicides to you @asparkofpyrokravte
I think there were suicide survivor studies that asked "when did you make the decision and why" and often it was related to a really recent event (like getting dumped), and made hours prior to the act.
But I'd have to go through the actual sources for that number from the website
I haven't researched that as much as I'd like for this sort of discussion
That's so true. Also mental health professionals mostly females, it's tough for them to understand the male psyche unless they are really experienced in their respective fields. We need more male psychologists. I think that's the key reason as to why men open up about their problems with their buddies rather than opting for professional help. They are often skeptic about the level of empathy that they won't have with the professionals.
@lazzzycarrot(30) / senpai(40) You can also look at the behavior of suicide survivors. While the risk of actually comitting suicide is greatly increased for those who have attempted in the past couple years, the numbers of those that actually do so remains low, below 5% IIRC
It's like 10% of people at some point in their lives decide life isn't worth living and act on it. 1% actually commit suicide, and some smaller number (0.1%?) legitimately hate life with a passion
except for the middle number, I haven't rigoursly confirmed the percentages
@John Wick And completely agreed with that
@asparkofpyrokravte do you mind if I go back to a statistic you said earlier, you mentioned that women attempt suicide 1.2 times more often than men I believe? How come some studies put that at 3x the rate and where does the discrpency come from?
As I noted at the time, ER reports
Some guy claimed that women actually don't attempt suicide more than men
I thought that was worth looking into
And I found that he was full of shit
But that what I thought was true (the 2x figure) was also false
Hrm, that reddit thread isn't as helpful as I thought it'd be
But anyways, that survey doesn't really have any potential flaws in its methodology, whereas the other ones that I found seemed more prone to double counting or self selection (very present with ER stuff, which selects for women who survive rather than men who don't).
How are the other studies getting the 2/3x figure though? Like, what flawed methodology are they using?
Ah, okay. I'll go dig it up, but the summary was that they were counting people at the hospital. So you get your failed poisonings, but not people who jump from 8 stories
I don't know if I am using the right words here but I do feel women generally are more pampered than men. Right from their childhood, everything seems a bar down for them when a guys' life seems to toughen up with every passing day, with more responsibility, more challenges and on a general basis less emotional support. And, this princess complex leads to emotional fragility on the other side, where with the chances of suicidal thoughts on facing a tough situation increases. Not generalising the fact, as exceptions always exist, but this is what I have observed. And I feel this contributes to the stat.
I can't remember which study it was I read, but I remember that female babies/children are more likely to be comforted when they're in distress than males are
I am not sure about that actually. Babies are equally vulnerable to diseases as their immune system is weak. Gender doesn't seem to be an issue here.
As a young child, I particularly remember being told by my father to stop crying when I got hurt, or he would 'give me something to cry about'
Same
I really need to go to sleep but I related that line so much
My family never said anything related to not crying. But whenever I cried publicly, I faced mocking rather than empathy. Somewhere down in the sub-conscious mind, I taught myself to not show emotions publicly.
Or If i cried as a child my mother told me to “man-up men don’t cry “
I'm not saying I never cry, but if I do I do it silently now, more akin to weeping
There is a 2x figure
that is based on a survey
but it is only students
So it is quite possible I'm wrong on this
Here is a 2x ER study: Ghttps://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-015-0392-2
Oof, so many tables
So you're saying the flawed methodology in the first one is that it only applies to students, where females perhaps fair less well against the stresses of education, and are also overrepresented in education, and the second one is flawed by not taking into account anyone who hasn't been referred through a hospital for mental evaluation
Which study gave the 1.2x figure?