People generally have a drive to keep living and improve their situation. Men dont talk about things like ending their lives, but if they *did* feel able to... Perhaps they would be able to overcome it. Men have proven that without euthanasia they will kill themselves anyway, so I can't see how it would increase the suicide rate.

I don't think the problem of suicide is a failure to talk about problems. Having a better support structure (ie. reaction to cries for help) may help, but I think the effect will be relatively marginal.

Moreover, legalizing it doesn't solve even that aspect by itself. Note that many people, self included, are religious, and that has taboos about suicide and shit of its own

Religion generally had to make suicide a bad thing, I mean, they promise great things after you die so if they didn't there would be no reason for all their followers not to just off themselves

That's actually not true. Its mostly true of (most) protestantism, but not generally true of other religions

Other religions "base great things after you die" on service to the cause during life

A few religions, like much of the rest of Christianity, don't fall neatly into either category

Pretty much as long as you're faithful during your life, you'll get to something equivalent to heaven... But killing yourself breaks the faith no? Doesn't Islam have a similar tenet?

No, Islam is much more wishy-washy about the whole thing, unless you get killed in battle.

Killing yourself doesn't usually break-faith either in most religions. It might in Islam, but I don't think so.

It is most dangerous in the Catholic tradition of Christianity I think

It doesn't break faith in the protestant end of Christianity, it just counts as a bad thing that can't be taken back.

I dated a Muslim once... I guess i should have asked more questions.

Muslims do have a heaven-like thing, and it is largely based on being faithful, but god is great, and it is mostly based on whether or not he finds it in himself to treat you well

Theoretically being faithful should cause god to judge you righteous

but I think Islam is very big on the completely and utter sovereignty thing

The woman I dated was much of the opinion that everything that happened, including her falling in love with an atheist like me, was Allah's will

Very big on the complete and utter sovereignty thing. That said, she sounds like a ~~heretic~~ some sort of person who isn't completely right on their dogma

She wasn't strict in a lot of regards.

For example she didn't really go to mosque, and had sex outside of marriage despite living in Malaysia, where Muslims are more strict than say the western world

But she still wouldn't eat pork, yet would drink alcohol

I've dated people from Malaysia, the US, the Netherlands and Australia. Perhaps I'm subconsciously ticking off a list.

Oh, and Czechoslovakia

I once worked for a Muslim, probably the only time I have actually experienced genuine sexism, was an interesting experience

Muslim men do tend to have quite low views of women. One of the only occasions I agree with feminism on sexism, not that they focus on it like, at all

By sexism I mean directed at me specifically

To be against Muslims would be sexism

:/

Racism***

He was an ass, I didn’t like him at all

The thing is, I think feminism has bought into the racism thing so much they are completely blind to the attitude other cultures (such as Islam) hold against women in general

Sexism against women hardly exists in the western world. If they really wanted to fight against it then they'd aim their view toward other cultures

What do you think regarding that @Abbysol?

Yeah, I agree, it was annoying, because I get social anxiety I preferred being up the back stocking the alcohol, the boxes where never that heavy but women don’t lift, so he got the scrawny 15 yo high school boys to do it, that annoyed me especially when I was already half way through the job, he would legit come out with one of the boys and tell me I couldn’t do that xD

Not like I was doing groundskeeping before that job or anything

Oof, yea, not like you could do it! Noooo, women are all fragile little things who can't do Fuck all >.<

It's confusing how feminists rotate from basically that opinion and insisting that women are strong, independant, and don't need no man

Like ummm... Pick one

@InsaneCaterpilla I suffer with ideation very frequently but i don't think legalising it would make me want to do it any more or less. For me it's more about the current dread and weight of life. Some days I'm ok some days it's just a constant level of hopelessness, dread and regret. I think opting out would still feel as shameful. Although part of me wonders if there were "suicide pods" or whatever maybe there would be enough change in the conversation.

That being said i agree with a right to sue for the terminally ill but i think it shouldn't be extended to mental health

Ideation? I suffer from depression too

Well half the time I have "flashes" that I can't control where I watch myself do it. But other days it's more voluntary to think about.