But isn't your body just your property?

i won’t remove his legs to stop him from jumping off a bridge.

@Water signifigant violence against friend which saves him, or let friend die and go to hell

if they’re absolutely going to kill themselves no matter what, eventually what you do to prevent it would rob them of what life they still have.

if appropriate force would stop them, i would do so.

water holy shit

i said saves for a reason

theres 2 options here

but there comes a point where it’s inappropriate.

signifigant violence

or friend condeming himself to hell

circumstances vary too much to make an absolute choice

SIGNIFIGANT VIOLENCE

OR FRIEND CONDEMING HIMSELF TO HELL

does significant violence mean tackling him, or blowing his legs off?

water, I thought you said pushing wanst signifigant violence

significant violence is broad, and varies on a situational basis.

ok, lets say

if you tackle someone you can do a hell of a lot more than a shove.

you have to shoot him in the leg with a mosin nagant

to save him

he wont die from the wound

if i’m certain he’ll live, sure i’d do that.

but if saving his life means threatening it further, no.

well, wouldnt him dying from the wound mean he would go to heaven

that’s not for me to decide.

at that point, what happens to him is between him and God.

Ok let me expand upon this further

You can either
1. shoot him in the leg, this forever cripples him but he will die naturally later on in life
2. you let him die and go to hell

i’d cripple him if i was certain that i wouldn’t kill him, of course.

I thought that fell under 'signifigant violence

i referred to entire removal of extremities, which almost always has a chance to end in death.

and such scenario wouldnt happen

unless its Saw

i didn’t say it was likely, i said i wouldn’t do it.

this all exists hypothetically.

So you seem to base your signifigant violence off of

"if it has a high risk of death"

chance of death basically yeah

if saving them means i’ll kill them, i’ve done nothing at all.

even though, the state wouldnt do that against you