Message from @CronoSaturn
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and its similar to the other quote
To bad mine is real 🤷
I feel like if you serve a set number of years with the US Military you should be given citizenship
Like
People want citizenship right? Make the required amount like 4-5 years. Military becomes bigger and stronger, people have to get vetted, people serve with our military
Plus people couldn’t keep whining “US CiTiZeNsHip toO hArD”
You wouldn’t be able to take in every person that signs up for it of course, equipping them would for far too expensive
Im skeptical about giving migrants the ability to go into positions of power in the military
I’m just thinking of basic frameworks
Not giving Juan the Drug Dealer the ability to enlist and become a general or something
@Orwell why wouldn't you be? They literally have no loyalty to the nation. Imagine if someone wanted to bribe them to be a spy, or they were fighting some enemy they were ethnically related to, or another migrant who was their superior decided to stage a coup. What would keep them from betraying the nation? Patriotism? Maybe, but I would never trust in that.
well im against immigration either way
but if we were pushing it maybe we could just toss them into labor camps instead
use them as fuel for warp drives
i dont think theyd survive to get their citizenship
~~that’s the point genius~~
@Flat i think as you've put out enlisting in a pretty general role would be a valid route to citizenship and the us programs emulating your frame are pretty successful. In that role campodin's objection doesnt seem to bear much weight as they're effectively just grunts, not privvy to much thats useful and pretty replaceable. if they show leadership potential and get their citizenship maybe then think about commissioning them
Basically, yeah.
In the end it boils down to merceneries being paid with citizenship for military services. There is no real reason why those people would abandon their former loyalities / identify with the host population / not fractionize from the society after millitary service. That plus the mechnizm creates a gender disbalance and that alone would cause conflict later on.
Given the payment of citizenship is only meaningful if they actually want to integrate into the host society it seems irrational that those who don’t seek to do so would make use of such an offer. Nor need military service be restricted to men.
The former is largely self selecting and self discriminating as candidates might easily be expected to serve or train under conditions that would simply not be worth the pay packet alone. Certainly there’s parallels here with the French foreign legion, marines, special forces and arguably most military employment
As for the latter quotas could be implemented if it’s a concern
Grammar just all over the place today
Well.. depending on the country of origin obtaining a paper that allows you to legally work in the host country and/or use its social services could already be a form of payment.
I would argue that the bigger material disproportion between the country of origin and the host country the bigger the incentive.
Right but if your willing to go through the grinder for 6 years in order to do so it’s difficult to argue they don’t identify strongly with the opportunity that nation offers
Very few would accuse the legion of being disloyal to France or the Gurkhas un-British for example
Neither have a reputation for poor integration upon ceasing their period of service and accepting citizenship of their respective country, despite Nepal being much poorer than the uk
"identify with the opportunity" that is a wordplay used to mask the simple buisness nature of the arrangement. For some reason workers on the market do no identify with the "opportunity" that their employers gave em and on average pick the more attractive offer when given the chance.
Many do not find military service an attractive offer however especially as money is very hard to enjoy when dead
Typically foreign services are subjected to more, not less dangerous positions than their domestically sourced counterparts
The reason being very simple, no one at home will miss them
Being prepared to put up with that and traditionally being underpaid compared to their counterparts demonstrates at least for the period of service that those members who serve their time must find their achievement more valuable to justify that difference and have achieved more with less. The past being the best indicator of the future, it’s realistic to expect that behaviour of excellence to continue
Lets be honest here... in the modern times military serive in a developped country is not that harsh in comparition to what it used to be. Most of the wars nowdays do not happen between equals and the casualites on the side of the modern country are very limited in such confrontations.
Please do some research on the French foreign legion, Gurkhas or similar groups and then get back to me with how cushy their position is
Exp since such offer would attract people who already have some military exp. For them it could even be an opportunity to get in a less risky position that they alreay are.
That does not map to how these units are utilised and experienced military personnel would be aware of that
What of I said do you disagree exactly?