Message from @Προμηθεύς {Caustic Dreamer}

Discord ID: 539390401384022017


2019-01-28 08:07:00 UTC  

I mean, we have a neoliberal

2019-01-28 09:24:44 UTC  

You’re better off starting a debate with a simple assertion than a presupposed opposition.

2019-01-28 09:26:25 UTC  

Like, here’s my assertion: Peace is a form of psychosis that is induced through the perception of sameness in others; the interests of the individual become projected (with positive reinforcement) onto one’s similar peers, which leads to the individual and the collective being simultaneous in form and function.

2019-01-28 09:27:36 UTC  

Think of what a family is, in its essence, and how it backs my position

2019-01-28 09:28:16 UTC  

A family is, in name and genetics, in a state of perceived oneness. They’re functionally similar as well, if you start going into biological determinism.

2019-01-28 09:28:49 UTC  

Religious have a perceived oneness that is rooted in their understanding of the soul.

2019-01-28 09:29:27 UTC  

And, this is why a multiracial, multicultural society, cannot ever know peace.

2019-01-28 09:31:12 UTC  

@The Big Oof id actually go against my grain here and support ice. All for controlled immigration.

2019-01-28 09:39:34 UTC  

and caustic "sameness" of type is not "sameness" of goals. an extreme level of sameness leads to a scarcity of the resources needed to achieve the same ends and after a certain point becomes destructive. Consider in nature you also see symbiotic relationships, clownfish and anemones, lichens and the various domesticated fauna that man has accumulated. Fuck, by number your body contains about the same amount of non-human cells

2019-01-28 09:41:31 UTC  

here functions complement eachother and those distinct traits allow a greater efficacy of co-operation. this too has a limit but multicultural, multiracial societies do and have known peace and seem to dominate compared to their peers

2019-01-28 09:58:41 UTC  

I never said that this was perpetually sustainable, I said it was the natural dynamic

2019-01-28 09:58:59 UTC  

There is no utopian philosophy

2019-01-28 10:15:31 UTC  

as i've demonstrated though its highly possible for highly dissimilar things to co-exist, even co-evolve for eons. This refutes your point that peace can only occur as a type. Your digestion is not possible without the thousands of bacteria in your gut. Need I say more?

2019-01-28 10:16:50 UTC  

Bacteria are not subject to psychosocial tendency

2019-01-28 10:17:08 UTC  

Their existence is little more than a chemical reaction

2019-01-28 10:17:47 UTC  

The illusion of free will aside, you’ll find that in the presence of an “Other,” a group will compete for resources and land and selective capability

2019-01-28 10:18:38 UTC  

All humans require the same resources, our “diversity” does nothing to mitigate the same issues of resources established in your opposition to my claim

2019-01-28 10:20:33 UTC  

And if anything, minority drains on the economy demonstrate that they accelerate the crisis you project onto my assessment of an ethnically consistent and monocultural society

2019-01-28 10:21:39 UTC  

end of the day psycho-social tendancies are the product of chemical reactions. especially if we consider genetics. There's no reason to expect the "other" will compete any more or less than one's own group without an understanding of what dictates the "other" as such. Your assertion also defeats itself, either humans are all the same, in which we require the same resources and you assert should also co-operate, or we are different, so there is some divergence in needs
also studies show cultural minorities tend to improve, rather than detract from economic performance.

2019-01-28 10:24:16 UTC  

What study is that? You can pull economic statistics of what various demographics pay into taxes and who spend the taxes; with the blacks (for example) costing hundreds of millions and the whites sending roughly 30 million dollars in surplus

2019-01-28 10:24:53 UTC  

Perhaps we can look at prison industrial complexes and their drain on society as well? And what demographic necessitates them?

2019-01-28 10:29:22 UTC  

Is there any chance that you can pinpoint me to points of relevance? A screenshot maybe?

2019-01-28 10:29:46 UTC  

Even quoting the dynamics or phenomena that validate the position is fine

2019-01-28 10:29:56 UTC  

This is of course, assuming you’ve read the study.

2019-01-28 10:30:45 UTC  

Though, I suppose this is in its entirety, a tangent.

The economics were less the topic than the premise of conflict and the lack thereof

2019-01-28 10:33:21 UTC  

```By looking at the forest and not the trees, we have tried to identify relationships between
immigration and economic performance in the United States since 1980, a period of surging
immigration. Instead of focusing on micro-level data, we used macro-level state variables. We
confirmed a positive national relationship between immigration and GDP growth ```
hoover institute
``` Such observations suggest that ‘ethnic identities in themselves are not the
source of problems; it is the way these identities are organised to share the benefits of growth that
can cause social unrest’ (Madhoo and Nath, 2013). ```
uk publishing service
```Migrant workers make important
contributions to the labour market in both
high- and low-skilled occupations ... At the same time, immigrants represented about a
quarter of entries into the most strongly declining
occupations in Europe (24%) and the United States
(28%). In Europe, these occupations include craft
and related trades workers as well as machine
operators and assemblers; in the United States,
they concern mostly jobs in production, installation,
maintenance and repair. In all these areas,
immigrants are filling labour needs by taking up
jobs regarded by domestic workers as unattractive
or lacking career prospects```
oecd report on migration

2019-01-28 10:35:02 UTC  

Okay but what is the data that supports those claims

2019-01-28 10:35:27 UTC  

At least for the first two, still reading the third paragraph

2019-01-28 10:40:28 UTC  

comparing variations in immigrant shares across states and economic performance in the hoover inst. paper, comparisons between nations, meta-studies and before-after comparisons of policy decisions oriented around migration in the konung int. paper published by the uk, country comparisons and before - after studies in the ub/ eu paper

2019-01-28 10:45:29 UTC  

Mechanisms include an introduction of new ideas, higher levels of risk tolerance and entrepreneurship, higher levels of absolute participation, ability to draw on a global pool of talent and higher willingness to take up unattractive positions

2019-01-28 10:48:34 UTC  

immigrants typically draw on welfare at a lower rate than natives, though also contribute to public infrastructure at a lower rate then natives due to lower wages

2019-01-28 10:51:52 UTC  

source?

2019-01-28 10:54:57 UTC  

This one has the source in the picture

2019-01-28 10:55:11 UTC  

Looks like a census

2019-01-28 10:55:19 UTC  

For the first one

2019-01-28 10:55:58 UTC  

mfw 80% of somalis in Sweden are unemployed lol

2019-01-28 10:56:14 UTC  

Why would they be