***if*** there was some ability to ensure people were in a stable relationship before being able to conceive or able and willing to properly care for it id be open to the idea of implementing that

```No. The child cops a negative outcome due to the parents shortcomings I agree but crucially at this junction there are no happy endings and this is the least negative outcome.```

I'm just curious, do you resent your parents for not giving you the life you wanted? Why do you feel this incessant need to focus on the quality of life for the child, to give him the best of the best. Just a smooth sailing until he's 20? How about until he's 30. He must have everything. Not struggle on his own like you did or his parents did. Not learn how to live and operate in a society because that's also a struggle.

```Unfortunately reality can be a harsh and nasty place where no good options exist and you are only left with the least bad.```
No, killing an unborn child is not the least bad option.

@CronoSaturn yeah it's called religion

Instilling the fear of God into people and an ultimate authority is one way to do it. It will by large fix the problem. However it's a generational endeavour and it will take many years before the damage is reversed

```do you resent your parents?```
I feel ive had, and continue to have, a very good and productive life. My parents were core to providing that. I struggle to see how someone would be able to achieve the happiness and growth I feel ive attained without support and love from their parents, biological or otherwise. It’s because i hold that in such high esteem that I struggle to see how jumping the hurdles that life frequently presents can be expected to be achieved without that.

```religion will cause people not to have sex out of wedlock```
Feel that tact has been tried. History doesnt show it to have a good batting record

Maybe this time it’s different, but somehow i doubt it

are u the only sibling?

I am not

you sure sound like one or maybe just someone who is going to be happy with just one token child

Well im not and being perfectly candid in terms of kids I’d need to find the right girl first before really coming to a conclusion as to what the family situation would look like

Your thoughts on that are your own but in any case i dont feel my points hang on me as a person

on another note

Should ICE exist, yes or no? Personally I think it should and that attempts or wants to abolish it are stupid.

Is that a serious question? I doubt there’s anyone in this server who’d actually want to abolish ICE

I mean, we have a neoliberal

You’re better off starting a debate with a simple assertion than a presupposed opposition.

Like, here’s my assertion: Peace is a form of psychosis that is induced through the perception of sameness in others; the interests of the individual become projected (with positive reinforcement) onto one’s similar peers, which leads to the individual and the collective being simultaneous in form and function.

Think of what a family is, in its essence, and how it backs my position

A family is, in name and genetics, in a state of perceived oneness. They’re functionally similar as well, if you start going into biological determinism.

Religious have a perceived oneness that is rooted in their understanding of the soul.

And, this is why a multiracial, multicultural society, cannot ever know peace.

@The Big Oof id actually go against my grain here and support ice. All for controlled immigration.

and caustic "sameness" of type is not "sameness" of goals. an extreme level of sameness leads to a scarcity of the resources needed to achieve the same ends and after a certain point becomes destructive. Consider in nature you also see symbiotic relationships, clownfish and anemones, lichens and the various domesticated fauna that man has accumulated. Fuck, by number your body contains about the same amount of non-human cells

here functions complement eachother and those distinct traits allow a greater efficacy of co-operation. this too has a limit but multicultural, multiracial societies do and have known peace and seem to dominate compared to their peers

I never said that this was perpetually sustainable, I said it was the natural dynamic

There is no utopian philosophy

as i've demonstrated though its highly possible for highly dissimilar things to co-exist, even co-evolve for eons. This refutes your point that peace can only occur as a type. Your digestion is not possible without the thousands of bacteria in your gut. Need I say more?

Bacteria are not subject to psychosocial tendency

Their existence is little more than a chemical reaction

The illusion of free will aside, you’ll find that in the presence of an “Other,” a group will compete for resources and land and selective capability

All humans require the same resources, our “diversity” does nothing to mitigate the same issues of resources established in your opposition to my claim

And if anything, minority drains on the economy demonstrate that they accelerate the crisis you project onto my assessment of an ethnically consistent and monocultural society

end of the day psycho-social tendancies are the product of chemical reactions. especially if we consider genetics. There's no reason to expect the "other" will compete any more or less than one's own group without an understanding of what dictates the "other" as such. Your assertion also defeats itself, either humans are all the same, in which we require the same resources and you assert should also co-operate, or we are different, so there is some divergence in needs
also studies show cultural minorities tend to improve, rather than detract from economic performance.

What study is that? You can pull economic statistics of what various demographics pay into taxes and who spend the taxes; with the blacks (for example) costing hundreds of millions and the whites sending roughly 30 million dollars in surplus

Perhaps we can look at prison industrial complexes and their drain on society as well? And what demographic necessitates them?

https://www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%20Migration%20Policy%20Debates%20Numero%202.pdf
http://www.ub.edu/searchproject/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WP-5.6.pdf
https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/18112-kane-rutledge_updated.pdf
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5b507c88e5274a73380f7b3e/The_Relationship_between_Ethnic_Diversity___Development-__A_Diversity_Dividend_Kirk__Stein___Fisher_21.6.18.pdf

Is there any chance that you can pinpoint me to points of relevance? A screenshot maybe?

Even quoting the dynamics or phenomena that validate the position is fine

This is of course, assuming you’ve read the study.

Though, I suppose this is in its entirety, a tangent.

The economics were less the topic than the premise of conflict and the lack thereof

```By looking at the forest and not the trees, we have tried to identify relationships between
immigration and economic performance in the United States since 1980, a period of surging
immigration. Instead of focusing on micro-level data, we used macro-level state variables. We
confirmed a positive national relationship between immigration and GDP growth ```
hoover institute
``` Such observations suggest that ‘ethnic identities in themselves are not the
source of problems; it is the way these identities are organised to share the benefits of growth that
can cause social unrest’ (Madhoo and Nath, 2013). ```
uk publishing service
```Migrant workers make important
contributions to the labour market in both
high- and low-skilled occupations ... At the same time, immigrants represented about a
quarter of entries into the most strongly declining
occupations in Europe (24%) and the United States
(28%). In Europe, these occupations include craft
and related trades workers as well as machine
operators and assemblers; in the United States,
they concern mostly jobs in production, installation,
maintenance and repair. In all these areas,
immigrants are filling labour needs by taking up
jobs regarded by domestic workers as unattractive
or lacking career prospects```
oecd report on migration