Either way, I don't know everything so I could very well be wrong. Thanks for talking to me about this, I've gotta go though. I'll talk to you all later.

second round

government structure idea: an unequal bicameral system, main body: senate: half by popular election from the various counties/states/States; the other half is elected via government (perhaps pre-17th Amendment style idk). all bureaucracy is under the senate, and the senate can delegate its power (not 100% sure on this part tbh). then all laws or regulations must then pass through a vote of what is essentially a Representative democracy in the most primitive sense. i want a large body with middle/working class people being a check on the government. all laws require 50% majority to become law from this body. in addition, this Rep Dem body can draw proposals to give to the senate, if 2/3 majority is achieved, its mandatory that the senate do something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySPriFiZP8g

@Scipio Americanus by elected by govt I presume you mean the bureaucracy? In many ways this is already the most powerful body in government, why do you feel it should be represented in the senate?

https://boards.4chan.org/gif/thread/14367017#p14399126

Thank you for posting a 4chan post in the serious discussion channel, you dumb basterd. @RealBullWhip

@CronoSaturn uhhhhhhh, i was unsure about that one, its rather situational, for instance, the EU would need something like that given its treaty status and powerful establishment (you have to throw them a bone to get them on board unfortunately). A more legitimate reason would be that national/state/province/county etc. wide elections leave out people (ya, know, the ones that lost the elections) and in some cases in might be necessary to have the vote be done in some alternative way.

@Scipio Americanus I see your point but I worry without having a cohesive endstate it’s difficult to do anything but solve problems as they crop up, rather than proactively making improvements. With that in mind, would having seats associated with a set number of people, rather than a geographical boundary, accomplish that better? That way you have representation fitting the popular support as closely mapping as the number of seats allows

@CronoSaturn hmmm, i have thought of something like that, but had no idea how to do it, or even where to start. I would love to hear your input

Basically you would take the population of the electorate and divide that by the amount of seats. As soon as that amount of votes is reached, they’ve gained a seat. No subdivisions, no seats tied to regions

I think this makes sense as regional representation shouldn’t be sought on the federal but the local / state level

@Scipio Americanus how does that sound to you?

*I think this makes sense as regional representation shouldn’t be sought on the federal but the local / state level* @CronoSaturn im sorry, this part doesn't make sense to me :(

do you mean like party voting?

So at this time in the English speaking world representatives are elected to represent a certain region even in national elections

Those seats are allocated to smaller regional electorates which your votes go to and the majority winner of that region gets representation

making for rather safe and moderate voting

albeit, stagnant

Not necessarily and it means that large portions of the populations vote are disregarded. Everyone’s vote who wasn’t the majority in their region goes nowhere

wait.. wtf?

you guys have to vote?

Yes. You pay a fine if you don’t

holy shit

Or you have to justify why you weren’t able to vote.

I think that’s valid

**FUCK IT** ***MAKE THE HOUSE LIKE JURY DUTY***

problem solved

@CronoSaturn i didnt even think that was possible tbh

How so? You’re on the electoral roll, they have to check who you are when you vote and while they do that they record you voted

If you havnt registered a postal vote and you havnt voted in person at the end of the election they send you a fine

i guess i just thought that was a no no, like none secret ballots

The ballot is secret

just an example

So if you donkey vote or scribble in a vote for hitler or whatever then you can’t be fined

lul

You do actually have to go to the voting booth though

ok sorry, i sorta derailed

i just saw that and about did a triple front flip

It seems to be something Americans and Australians have very different views on. Voting is seen a civic duty here and your part in contributing to the electoral process of the nation just as taxes are your contribution to the nations fiscal processes

do you understand why i want the house to be working class people? i want to put people in a position where they are fully engrossed in politics in person, with a well informed opinion, and for these people to see literally every law that gets passed. my state just made like 1700 laws **apparently** in 17 days (facebook, im looking it up now)