Message from @Hirden

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2019-03-13 20:46:12 UTC  

Objectively no.

2019-03-13 20:46:42 UTC  

@neztharion unfortunately its endemic in this server

2019-03-13 20:46:58 UTC  

he wanted the treaty of versailles (which was extremely unfair) to be reversed and germany returned to it's past and rightful glory

2019-03-13 20:47:40 UTC  

and Britain who controlled half the fucking world started shitting bricks

2019-03-13 20:49:03 UTC  

what past and rightful glory

2019-03-13 20:49:22 UTC  

Wonderful. Great blue sky thinking. Actual implementation wasnt so great though was it? Any kid can dream, it actually takes something more to make that a reality. Pissing off power houses as time shows is a bold strategy but generally a poor one.

2019-03-13 20:49:30 UTC  

this supposed utopian ethnostate that never existed

2019-03-13 20:49:37 UTC  

the territory of Germany before 1919

2019-03-13 20:52:43 UTC  

Let’s actually examine that as well. You criticise the british empire and yet somehow seem fully on board with the german empire, an empire who itself was unabashed in attaining its expansion through military actions with Austria, Bavaria, france, Denmark, and a slew of other smaller german states. Here bismark presented a policy of real politik with a solid grasp of the European dynamic to achieve german sovereignty not through right, but by blood and iron.

2019-03-13 20:53:16 UTC  

What “right” does germany have to these areas?

2019-03-13 20:53:57 UTC  

what right did Britain have to conquer half of the world, murder 10s of millions of people, introduce concentration camps and have them be used on Boers?

2019-03-13 20:54:07 UTC  

they did everything that Germany did and then some more

2019-03-13 20:54:19 UTC  

what-about-ism isnt a defence

2019-03-13 20:54:27 UTC  

Areas many of which had been considered german barely 50 years, germany itself being an infant on the world stage?

2019-03-13 20:54:37 UTC  

it's showing the hypocrisy of Britain

2019-03-13 20:55:32 UTC  

the british empire was pretty horrid. but a broken clock is right once a day - germany unjustly invaded their allies

2019-03-13 20:55:51 UTC  

reuniting germany was unjust?

2019-03-13 20:56:15 UTC  

reuniting germany is a very dishonest way of putting it

2019-03-13 20:56:26 UTC  

they invaded and conquered sovereign nations

2019-03-13 20:56:30 UTC  

they were trying to unify all Germans

2019-03-13 20:56:40 UTC  

oh so kinda like the British? 😂

2019-03-13 20:56:56 UTC  

again, whataboutism isnt rly an a good argument

2019-03-13 20:57:19 UTC  

my point right now is that the British are the biggest hypocrites in world history

2019-03-13 20:57:38 UTC  

broken clock is right twice* a day not once lol

2019-03-13 20:57:56 UTC  

okay but thats not really a good defence of germany

2019-03-13 20:58:19 UTC  

the Greater German Reich was meant to expand it's borders to include all ethnic Germans

2019-03-13 20:58:52 UTC  

whilst simultaneously conquering non german peoples and exterminating people deemed 'lesser'

2019-03-13 20:58:53 UTC  

that's what the Anchluss, Sudetenland, etc. was for

2019-03-13 20:58:58 UTC  

yeah very defensible

2019-03-13 20:59:30 UTC  

>non german peoples and exterminating people deemed 'lesser'
what people were exterminated for being lesser?

2019-03-13 20:59:57 UTC  

jews, gypsies, lgbt ppl, political opponents etc

2019-03-13 21:00:03 UTC  

Let’s address those too, the british “concentration camps” in the boer war had a lower death toll then many areas of the uk and are clearly nothing like equivalent to the death camps created by germany. I’d be happy in condemning it but raising a moral equivalence is absurd. It’s difficult to see where you get this arbitrary “10s of millions” from and much of british expansion was not facilitated by conquest, but trade and colonies.
Again, its difficult to justify “reuniting germany” when germany itself was the result of the conquest of a number of states in itself. What is “Ethnically german” is also hard to see when nearly universally a century prior they were all considered, and considered themselves, seperate people

2019-03-13 21:00:41 UTC  

>jews, gypsies, lgbt ppl, political opponents etc
jews, gypsies, faggots and traitors all deserved it

2019-03-13 21:00:49 UTC  

yeah you're

2019-03-13 21:00:55 UTC  

absolutely bonkers

2019-03-13 21:01:04 UTC  

if you're a subversive element in a society, then expect to be eliminated

2019-03-13 21:01:59 UTC  

conspiracy theories

2019-03-13 21:02:01 UTC  

you should know damn well why jews were persecuted in Germany

2019-03-13 21:02:06 UTC  

are not justifications

2019-03-13 21:02:06 UTC  

Would you consider yourself in line with contemporary western society, @Hirden ? Do you not consider it hypocritical calling for the extermination of others when you yourself are a subversive element?

2019-03-13 21:02:55 UTC  

>Would you consider yourself in line with contemporary western society
no.
>Do you not consider it hypocritical calling for the extermination of others when you yourself are a subversive element?
the state apparatus is a subversive element upon the people