Ok now you're manipulating the goal

give me any example of someone that did something for other people

like a made up example let's say

uhh donating to charity?

ho ho ho there buddy

its not like thatll do me any good on my resume

You can trace it back to muh feels, but it doesn't matter. If you are only considering muh feels, you'll see that it's an AWFUL trade

Clean your room

although it may look like one is doing something nice, it's not their underlying intent. for example, it could be that people will look good in front of everyone else to donate to charity, or that they are pressered by everyone else to do it. Both of which are selfish intents

But there are people that willingly donate a portion of their goods because they feel that it is the right thing to do

I can speak for myself when I do that

yeah for themselves

also

A soldier that risks his life to save a complete stranger won't be statistically happier than if he hadn't

it is basically a social norm for everyone to donate to charity

In what country lmao

america. most people with money donate to charity

some more than others but still

It's defnitely not a social norm.

It's not even a biological absolute, the survival of the species is way more important than the safety of the individual

@Bearer Of The Curse it could be that that soldier could not have lived with himself had he not done that. or that he wanted to feel better about himself.

>Could
Now you're talking ifs, what about that absolute before?

no it is defiently one of those, just there are more selfish examples therefore i say could. i just do not want to imply that those are the only two reasons

That soldier feels it's his duty to save that person. He will ignore harm and therefore suffer an AWFUL trade if what's in game is your own ego. Even if he has a chance to go out depressed, it's safer to not do so, or even use that person as bait

wait what

are you saying he will be depressed if that person died and he did not save him?

I said a chance, because that would be a somewhat egoistic motive, to not go sick for your inaction. But even then, it's a problem caused by altruism

no it is not

it is caused by the reasons l listed up above. or it could be because it is his job. In this case, he should do that, because he is being payed to do it. Again, an egoistic motive

or some other reason

Welcome

No, in the listed case he's a soldier, he has no financial incentive to save someone

This is not a VIP case

What is the debate?

Egoism

no. that is incorrect. a lot of people are soldeirs because they cannot provide themselves in any other way

he believes altruism exists, i think it does not

Cool down and read the situation again

? cool down ?

You don't lose your job because you keep shooting at the enemy instead of saving a fellow trooper

Actually saving that trooper might cost your job