i have to stress this - Marxism didn't invent this and isn't the only ideology that subscribes to this

that'll be better

i know that

i just said Capitalism is Materialist

i made that point before you

its not philosophically materialist

I mean it *can be,* but it doesn't have to be

same is actually true of Socialism

you can be idealist and be Socialist

i don't care

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as is the case with Strasserism

its idealist and not materialist

but still socialist

what does that mean

it means that it seems to hold the world of ideas primary to the world of matter, at least Strasser considered himself to be idealist and that's what idealism is, so thats what I've got here to work with

i would say Spirituality and your Mental Make Up really do matter

ofc you're playing that game within what you have, which is Material

but it's not like Ideas don't matter

the materialist considers the world of matter primary to the world of ideas. and when I say that capitalism isn't inherently materialist I mean that nothing in capitalist ideology demands that world of matter be primary to world of ideas

@Xinyue do you think it's better to organise a society by building families or without it? do you think that institution can be destroyed?

anything can be destroyed tbh, except matter-energy it seems, but yeah it can be destroyed but I don't think that it should be

now family is an abstract concept

I think family can be quite easily described as a relation of real living beings

a very specific relationship that is

it is a way of organization innit?

Its a way of organization that naturally happens around the parents and their offspring yes

a special kind of bond

due to the nature of the thing they organise around

and you agree that it is something that can be destroyed, and that matters

so ideas in our head really matter..?

it can be destroyed yes, why couldn't it be? its entirely possible to destroy this

they are ideas which have root in the world of matter. my parents are beings composed of matter - their organs, their brains, etc. - and of course I am such a being of matter as well. that we even have a family to begin with is rooted in matter. its not an abstract relation

ideas emerge from matter, our brain

if you cannot distinguish between ideas and matereal all these words are useless mate

this is pretty much a deconstruction of the English language for the sake of including EVERYTHING within the folds of the category of Material, for ideological purposes 😂

as *Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism* puts it: consciousness is a property of matter organised in a particular way (that is, the brain). I tend to subscribe to this viewpoint. This is why materialist view on ideas understands their emergent character in direct causal proximity to the world of matter, whereas the *idealist viewpoint considers the ideas as primary and the world of matter as emergent from ideas.*

If you think that ideas emerge from matter, you are materialist.

ffs capitalism isn't an "ideology", it's an economic system

most of the people operating the capitalist order at the moment are essentially "ex" trotskyists and their ilk

Yes, to be precise. Same is true of socialism. However, it is often in final hand argued for in philosophical terms

Oi @Xinyue , what do you think of Stalinism and Stalin?