given the tilt of historical narratives since the 60s in mainstream academia, that's probably the worst argument to make as well

```"muh holodomor" - which almost no mainstream historian would agree with```

it left us still with the uncomfortable figure of 600-700K, which will be the sin of the Stalin era, but it certainly isn't the "muh millions" that so many fucking anticommunists peddled over and over again

there's no evidence for holodomor. there's evidence for famine, but not mass murder

@Xinyue hello kameraden 😃

You don't like to hear about that because they were the direct result of policies that you support

```there's no evidence for holodomor. there's evidence for famine, but not mass murder```


do you consider yourself better than Holocaust Deniers?

even Timothy Snyder, the author of "(muh) Bloodlands", in the end rallied behind this line, that USSR didn't really kill that many at all, even during Stalin

Timothy fucking Snyder

i don't even know who that is or what that represents

the anticommunist position is almost dead if Timothy-fucking-Snyder has abandoned the old guard

oh he's like a right-wing demagogue of a historian

Bloodlands was (in)famous for drawing moral parallels between USSR and Nazi Germany

Holodomor was the direct result of Soviet Policies

oh ffs

I would understand if you say that wasn't the intended result

they even tried to provide food aid to Ukraine at the time

but to deny a correlation

literally not intentional killing

to say it just magically happened and btw not just in ukraine

"muh antigommunism, muh holodomor"

happened in many other parts of USSR

at the same time

oh, so not just one fictional famine-murdering, but a dozen holodomors

what a fascinating twist!

We'll be up in that fictitious 60 million figure in no time!

six holodomors

lmao

its all about the endgoal tho isnt it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921–22_famine_in_Tatarstan

woops

this never happened

all the evidence is by muh fashist caputalizts

....following a war in which millions died, and during another war that killed further 5 million people? in a country with feudal levels of infrastructure? bitch, Russian Empire had endured consistent famines for most of 19th century

I haven't looked into if they were Manufactured Famines

These were

you know what was the administration that ended all the historic famines in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.?

***THE SOVIET UNION***

Do you believe in the holoshoah, not gay reddit?

i don't know about that one, but Soviet Holodomor killed billions @Bearer Of The Curse

@Xinyue You are Living in a Separate Reality, friend.

billions of ukrainians died

epic

at least 9 billion