like wtf

that's why I posted them in quotations

```weather probably played some effect, although I think the crop sabotage and livestock killing was probably primary```

some farmers killing a few animals and burning few crops caused an entire famine that killed millions of people.. the systemic policy of eliminating productive farmers, replacing them with bad labor and then transporting all their produce to the city, didn't..

that is another level of woke

@Stern doesn't matter if you brought it up, that was your distinction

> a few animals

literally in hundreds of thousands, if the data from the time is anything to go by

data collected by the soviet system

which totally wasn't filled with liars and criminals

why would a farmer kill their own farm animal doing damage to themselves? @Xinyue

@ecojuche it wasn't but ok

a very reliable source

yes, which was a *planned economic system,* meaning they didn't gather data for shits and giggles but for the purposes of actually carrying out their system

will you ever answer that question? lol

@ecojuche wait so you trust a guy that never went to ukraine over the government that ruled over ukraine

🤔

hmmm

seems like some ideology in that statement

further, at least people with my position *have* data to point to. the people who are in the opposite camp have no data on the livestock

@Stern do you trust the govt of North Korea?

"SternDziś o 18:35
@ecojuche they weren't the food production class, they were the landowner class
kulaks =/= catch all for peasant class" "SternDziś o 18:36
@Aki they decreased it to send grain to the actual non-aristocratic peasants"

@AdorableStormtrooper idgaf about nk

@Stern nice way to avoid the question

@Aki yes

@AdorableStormtrooper I answered the question

So what are you even claiming?

@Xinyue will you answer the question mate? why did they protest?

Soviet Union actively needed data on the number of livestock and the state of the crops to even basically function.

@Xinyue ?????

so there's very little reason to think that this data was false

@Xinyue no?

It doesn't appear that you have a goalpost to move.

@Aki I claimed that the kulaks weren't peasants, they were an aristocratic class. someone else brought up the phrases of good and bad peasants

of which I used in quotations

@Xinyue they just randomly burnt crop and killed animals?

@AdorableStormtrooper they protested the seizure of the bourgeois property

no

they killed animals and sabotaged crops on an immense scale because they were capitalists

😄

oh yes, the billionaire Farmer Bourgeoisie, living in great luxury

i love that

not because they were caps tbh