Message from @Alluvallaton
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Doesn't matter refineries were bombed
>wow we held against the Germans
>all of Hamburg literally on fire for weeks
>you can see the plume from Poland
We won singlehandedly!
Bomber Harris did more than Stalin.
Germans were already running short in 1941, to the point that your own leading quartermaster officials were recommending partial demotorisation of the German army jfc that's how bad the oil situation was, there was talk of demotorisation BEFORE the bloody offensive even happened. Why the fuck do you think Hitler was obsessed with the Caucasus?
@Xinyue to get oil supplies outside of the range of Lancasters
Strategic bombing decided the war
There was not enough oil to supply the expanded territories of Germany to begin with
like refineries or not
Russia was saved due to
1: Allied Bombing Campaigns
2: German foreign minister to Japan being a literal cuckhold
USSR was able to relieve Moscow with Eastern divisions due to 2
Yes, the Western Allies did make important contribution to the war, this nobody denies. All of the Allies were instrumental in brining down the Axis, all four of them - however, sans USSR, Europe does fall to the Axis and no amount of Lancasters will save Britain. From this you can infer the order of primacy in terms of importance.
Russia would have gotten fucked if not for Richard Sorge
"muh talking points muh ahistorical standpoint"
w/e
In the end it doesn't matter.
I don't understand the point of these discords.
China and the USSR are two different beasts alone. Eitherway while it is true the USSR would of won alone against Nazi Germany it would of been far more devastating. Also 80 percent of the Wehrmarcht dead? Lmfao. Got any idea how big the Wehrmacht was? Practicly everyone in the German Army was counted as a casualty due to being captured as an example while never being wounded or slain. Also claiming the fact because the Germans got bombed by the Allies is because they lost against the USSR is retarded. While indeed the Allies fookin bombarded Germany to quite the oblivion it wouldnt of prevented the USSR from winning World War 2 alone if that was case. Because the Germans were so great they decided to pop out fucking 50595095059505950 different designs daily and then put them also in production. Then the fact it was so fucking complicated to actually produce. And when the so almighty Tiger I happened to get stuck in some mud or have an engine malfunction was ebic. Then further to add while Hitler is alot of the time blamed by his Generals for plenty of the blunders. He did do many of them yes but his gained the title of much blame due to his Generals. Literally pretty much everyone in the German High Command fucking believed if we take Moscow the USSR is going to surrender. Besides if were talking of Japan joining in against the Russians that would of been a vital mistake by the Japanese. Wasting further manpower on marching through Siberia. Truly an ebic plan of destruction. But then again BoMBer HArrIS fOR lIFE bOyoS! Bomb Dresden to oblivion!
now if you excuse me
@Alluvallaton not reading or watching what you posted
yes
epic
do that
Yeah the German industry and production process itself was a mess compared to, say, that of the Americans. Germany had many problems but again the most pressing one they had was the oil angle. They didn't have the oil needed to conquer USSR, but USSR had both the resources and the troops to fight back. In fact, this fact is reflected in the more lucid writings of some German figures in the very first years of WW2.
Now, it didn't help Germans that their leadership was essentially schizophrenic or divided in two distinct personalities: the Hitlerian camp pushing for the Caucasus, and the Halderian camp pushing for Moscow. The forces were divided very unevenly and the whole German movement, while at face value seemingly sensible, falls apart as reasonable exercise upon closer inspection.
tbh the Hitlerian Camp when looking at it from the future was the most sensible plan but the Halderian Camp was so High IQ it didnt learn anything from Napoleons Campaign in Russia
we take Moscow and Stalin kowtows, ja ja ja?
Hitler had the more resource-oriented strategy, seeking to capture the Caucasus for the much needed oil - Stalingrad was battle fought over this strategic goal. Hitler was actually more sensible here
like who in their right mind thinks that USSR is going to surrender if you capture "muh Moskau"
what an asinine plan
Hitler had the right idea with regard to resources being primary
this^ as i was saying while Hitler wasnt some genius alot of the shit the Generals themselves fucked up were post war writen as yeah that Hitler guy you know him?
Well yeah he did everything wrong
we did nuffin
ye know?
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