Message from @Xinyue

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2018-12-18 11:43:06 UTC  

I think the current bump in fascism in the last 20 years is a direct reaction to the rise of leftwing identity politics which encompasses communism

2018-12-18 11:43:07 UTC  

Sun Yat Sen was a socialist, but Chiang was a fascist

2018-12-18 11:43:30 UTC  

the purging of the left-wing of KMT which led to 10,000 deaths kind of was a turning point

2018-12-18 11:43:41 UTC  

Don't forget

2018-12-18 11:43:42 UTC  

Romania

2018-12-18 11:43:44 UTC  

Hungary

2018-12-18 11:43:46 UTC  

yeah

2018-12-18 11:43:48 UTC  

>Chiang was

Since I'm uneducated on Kuomintang I won't talk about Chiang

>Falange was, and he utilised this

The Falanage were, but Franco was not, also I'd like to know why you say he utilised it, why do you not think he was a Fascist

2018-12-18 11:43:48 UTC  

Austria

2018-12-18 11:43:50 UTC  

Portugal

2018-12-18 11:43:53 UTC  

Brazil

2018-12-18 11:43:54 UTC  

Greece

2018-12-18 11:43:58 UTC  

and I left out Italy and Germany because they were fascist

2018-12-18 11:44:07 UTC  

@Spookaswa list every single country with a socialist and nationalist party, wp

2018-12-18 11:44:19 UTC  

uh

2018-12-18 11:44:23 UTC  

Right now?

2018-12-18 11:44:27 UTC  

no...

2018-12-18 11:44:32 UTC  

you're literally just listing countries

2018-12-18 11:44:33 UTC  

CHINA

2018-12-18 11:44:41 UTC  

Niger

2018-12-18 11:44:46 UTC  

Austria, Romania and Hungary all had fascist governments

2018-12-18 11:44:48 UTC  

and in ALL CASES

2018-12-18 11:44:52 UTC  

anti-Marxist ones

2018-12-18 11:45:01 UTC  

it always goes like this, almost without a fail

2018-12-18 11:45:03 UTC  

which ones!? @Xinyue

2018-12-18 11:45:27 UTC  

the Iron Guard, the Austrofascists and the Arrow Cross Party

2018-12-18 11:45:32 UTC  

like

2018-12-18 11:45:36 UTC  

they weren't a part of the government though!?

2018-12-18 11:45:38 UTC  

these were all anticommunists

2018-12-18 11:45:41 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/524552833127677953/Spurdo_Sparde_2.png

2018-12-18 11:45:41 UTC  

the Iron Guard never became the government

2018-12-18 11:45:45 UTC  

and yes Fascism is anti-communist

2018-12-18 11:46:02 UTC  

it always existed in direct reaction to the working class' class war

2018-12-18 11:46:10 UTC  

because this, they contended, threatened "Muh culture"

2018-12-18 11:46:15 UTC  

"muh superstructure"

2018-12-18 11:46:34 UTC  

but... like i said earlier when you said i was a communist, it's nearly always based on the fact that Marx himself ignored pretty much everythign spiritual and like you made it obvious, there is a lack of importance of culture

2018-12-18 11:47:13 UTC  

uh, no, Marx and Engels didn't ignore "all things spiritual" they had a very interesting way of viewing the universe called dialectical materialism

2018-12-18 11:47:27 UTC  

and most people who call themselves nationalist do it from a point of caring about their people's culture and feeling a sense of kinship, Communism (since it ignores this) makes it seem like Commies are the enemy of these things

2018-12-18 11:47:40 UTC  

the bulk of their theory focused on *historical materialism* but this isn't the same as dialectical materialism

2018-12-18 11:47:43 UTC  

and even with Fascism being a young ideology with little intellectual substance

2018-12-18 11:47:57 UTC  

it still achieved massive success, you can't view everything as being economic