i mean, it definitely wasn't as left as strasserism, but german socialism is different from marxist socialism, so take it as you will

Strasserism was genuine left

Hitlerism wasn't

I don't define all left as Marxism

but I do define left as revolving around joint ownership of the means of production

and Hitler specifically spoke against this

Mhm

so that would by definition exclude him imo

Fascism does curb Capitalism, but only to a certain extent

it allows it to exist in a diminished form yes

yeah, i dunno. i mean it has leftist tendencies but sure, it wasn't full left

> marxism is anti-property, socialism is not

Socialism was invented by Henri de Saint-Simon, and he agreed with Marx's anti private property stance. Hitler didn't know what he was talking about *or* intentionally misled people. Either way, his "socialism" is subjectivist and ahistorical

uhhhhh

he's about as "socialist" as Ocasio-Cortez

Also, Hitler was an atheist, btw

In that quote he says he isn't

but he definitely was

i mean i could link you an old ass book that says probably otherwise, about german socialism
i think hitler/natsoc etc understood that private property was important as an institution, but still understood that international capital and corporations must be put on a leash,
but merit is still important, so there can still be "rich" and "working class" but all of it is in accordance with class collaboration,
harmony of the classes,
hierarchy is an important and a natural law, but it shouldn't be a detriment to the majority of the people etc

He considered Christianity to be "an extension of the Jewish faith"

Look,

a position which he held in private but never made public

socialism emerged as the theory of society which is based around social ownership by the workers

you can't just take that,

and redefine it,

and call it "German socialism"

@Space Bird destroyed

with facts

and logic

that's like taking capitalism and defining it as anti private property all the sudden

it doesn't make any sense

ok, now are we talking corporations, or small businesses, i think thats the important difference

with socialism

i'm all for a corporative state, worker's councils etc

socialism = worker ownership of the bloody means of labour

no corporations, no

this isn't something invented by Marx either

this was present in the work of the Utopian Socialists already

Proudhon, Saint-Simon, d'Hupay, Owen, etc.

"German Socialism" is a non-term

it doesn't denote anything

other than possibly Strasserism

🤷 mabe
but i guess its all semantics