Message from @Bee

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2018-12-21 07:50:03 UTC  

but again, the natsocs actually have no interest in any kind of coherent worldview. its not merely feels > reals, its feels to the exclusion of anything and everything real. its political solipsism to the highest degree

2018-12-21 07:50:12 UTC  

hitler managed to achieve that

2018-12-21 07:50:21 UTC  

oof

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/525580774909542411/328964862480875521.png

2018-12-21 07:50:34 UTC  

its pretty coherent my dude

2018-12-21 07:50:55 UTC  

le feels vs reals meme

2018-12-21 07:51:11 UTC  

what is leftism other that "we can't live like this"

2018-12-21 07:51:20 UTC  

like I would have respect to national socialists if they actually called their ideology something that reflected its content

2018-12-21 07:51:27 UTC  

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2018-12-21 07:51:29 UTC  

like, idk, national capitalism. because that's what it actually is

2018-12-21 07:51:37 UTC  

no lol

2018-12-21 07:51:52 UTC  

if it was national capitalism it would look something like China

2018-12-21 07:51:57 UTC  

so basically, natsoc is the german expression of socialism
volkism

2018-12-21 07:52:04 UTC  

^

2018-12-21 07:52:08 UTC  

so socialism means nothing then

2018-12-21 07:52:11 UTC  

that's the logical conclusion

2018-12-21 07:52:13 UTC  

it has no meaning,

2018-12-21 07:52:18 UTC  

and anything can be projected unto it

2018-12-21 07:52:22 UTC  

dude do you want to read this or not lol so you can read

2018-12-21 07:52:26 UTC  

hurr it means nothing because it conflicts with my definition of it

2018-12-21 07:52:38 UTC  

joint ownership of the means of production is *the* common definition

2018-12-21 07:52:53 UTC  

not every concise plan can fit for every country. everybody has to make changes for it to work for their country

2018-12-21 07:52:59 UTC  

no no no

2018-12-21 07:53:01 UTC  

that's not it

2018-12-21 07:53:05 UTC  

its a very, very simple distinction

2018-12-21 07:53:11 UTC  

extremely general

2018-12-21 07:53:24 UTC  

joint ownership of the means of production. this could mean millions of different things

2018-12-21 07:53:31 UTC  

I'm not imposing anything super specific on this term

2018-12-21 07:53:34 UTC  

truth is, hitler to some extent tried to hijack the term socialism away from the marxists

2018-12-21 07:53:38 UTC  

only insisting on what is the common, accepted understanding

2018-12-21 07:53:47 UTC  

because fuck marxists and fuck their socialism

2018-12-21 07:53:52 UTC  

not just Marxists, this understanding predates Marxism

2018-12-21 07:53:57 UTC  

but again you probably don't read so 🤷

2018-12-21 07:54:26 UTC  

Proudhon, Owen, etc. they all shared this understanding

2018-12-21 07:54:28 UTC  

holy shit... it was wrong from the start then

2018-12-21 07:54:38 UTC  

marxism is just the final version of it

2018-12-21 07:55:01 UTC  

jus reed dis mah nigga

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2018-12-21 07:55:01 UTC  

Marx considered himself a compiler and finaliser of thoughts and ideas that came before him

2018-12-21 07:55:12 UTC  

irrelevant

2018-12-21 07:55:16 UTC  

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2018-12-21 07:55:27 UTC  

but do go on

2018-12-21 07:55:35 UTC  

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