Message from @Xinyue
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no, it is the shitty "natsoc" is the irrelevant doctrine, the one that doesn't belong to the halls of socialist thought but which inserts itself into it because it itself has nothing original to provide
it has no content
if you mean that natsoc isn't marxist socialism, then you're right
u just keep spewing shit without anything to back it up
marxists don't get the monopoly on the term socialism end of story
> the view that socialism means the same as social progress goes back to Proudhon
...uh, no, it doesn't. Proudhon himself operated under the social ownership concept:
```Under the law of association, transmission of wealth does not apply to the instruments of labour, so cannot become a cause of inequality. [...] We are socialists ... under universal association, ownership of the land and of the instruments of labour is social ownership. [...] We want the mines, canals, railways handed over to democratically organised workers' associations. [...] We want these associations to be models for agriculture, industry and trade, the pioneering core of that vast federation of companies and societies, joined together in the common bond of the democratic and social Republic.[36]```
like this is basic socialism 101
the original meaning is this, and for this reason it is also the academic understanding of the word
how do you feel about corporatism
also do you consider mussolini more left than hitler
I think that in economics Mussolini and Hitler were quite similar even if not identical. Corporatism is I think a fundamentally centrist doctrine, I think its insufficient but don't spend too much time thinking about it
corporatism is for chads
^^ tbh
Mussolini was, at least slightly, more left than Hitler, Fascism in Italy only got more right wing after Hitler started pressuring Mussolini to place social (mostly racial) reforms in Italy
I think they both belong to the centre in economics though
@Xinyue Begome Justicialist
Mussolini in the centre, and Hitler in centre-right
yes
Peronist Argentina
no
Justicialism is still around
it isn't
I checked
Yes it is
it doesn't exist
ewww
It's still going somewhat strong
This party is better
^
maybe Maoist but
damn
I'd take them over fascists 😄
OOF
Also, Peron supported Fidel Castro and Salvador Allende
He also had exchanges with Che Guevara



