marxists don't get the monopoly on the term socialism end of story

> the view that socialism means the same as social progress goes back to Proudhon

...uh, no, it doesn't. Proudhon himself operated under the social ownership concept:

```Under the law of association, transmission of wealth does not apply to the instruments of labour, so cannot become a cause of inequality. [...] We are socialists ... under universal association, ownership of the land and of the instruments of labour is social ownership. [...] We want the mines, canals, railways handed over to democratically organised workers' associations. [...] We want these associations to be models for agriculture, industry and trade, the pioneering core of that vast federation of companies and societies, joined together in the common bond of the democratic and social Republic.[36]```

like this is basic socialism 101

the original meaning is this, and for this reason it is also the academic understanding of the word

how do you feel about corporatism
also do you consider mussolini more left than hitler

I think that in economics Mussolini and Hitler were quite similar even if not identical. Corporatism is I think a fundamentally centrist doctrine, I think its insufficient but don't spend too much time thinking about it

corporatism is for chads

^^ tbh

Mussolini was, at least slightly, more left than Hitler, Fascism in Italy only got more right wing after Hitler started pressuring Mussolini to place social (mostly racial) reforms in Italy

I think they both belong to the centre in economics though

@Xinyue Begome Justicialist

Mussolini in the centre, and Hitler in centre-right

yes

> Justicialist

what is this meme ideology

Peronist Argentina

no

Justicialism is still around

it isn't

I checked

Yes it is

it doesn't exist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justicialist_Party

ewww

It's still going somewhat strong

This party is better

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party_of_Argentina

^

maybe Maoist but

damn

I'd take them over fascists 😄

OOF

Also, Peron supported Fidel Castro and Salvador Allende

He also had exchanges with Che Guevara

```From 1974 to 1976, under the leadership of Isabel Peron (which was maneuvered by José López Rega, leader of the internal right-wing after the death of Lastiri) the Justicialist Party is no longer characterized by anti-imperialists tones and revolutionaries, but for the rabid anti-communism, which became the main bulwark in South America, and for the support to economic liberalism.```

holy shit actual cancer

abolishing gulags was a mistake

She was taken out and was unpopular

Peron himself was not a free marketeer

> economic liberalism
> anticommunism

🤢 🤢 🤢

I need to do away with the emoji deletes