Message from @Bee

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2018-12-21 08:16:45 UTC  

ima buy an AR tho, and books

2018-12-21 08:18:10 UTC  

```Perón's third term was also marked by an escalating conflict between the Peronist left- and right-wing factions. This turmoil was fueled primarily by calls for repression against the left on the part of leading CGT figures, a growing segment of the armed forces (particularly the navy) and right-wing radicals within his own party, notably Perón's most fascist adviser, José López Rega. López Rega, appointed Minister of Social Welfare, was in practice given power far beyond his purview, soon controlling up to 30 percent of the federal budget.[15] Diverting increasing funds, he formed the Triple A, a death squad that soon began targeting not only the violent left; but moderate opposition, as well.[81] The Montoneros became marginalized in the Peronist movement and were mocked by Perón himself after the Ezeiza massacre. In his speech to the governors on 2 August 1973, Perón openly criticized radical Argentine youth for a lack of political maturity. ```

hmmmm.... 🤔

2018-12-21 08:18:39 UTC  

**Soviet urges intensify**

2018-12-21 08:19:09 UTC  

Alright, well what do you think of everything else, how he improved conditions for the workers and, despite his shortcomings, wages still grew under his rule

2018-12-21 08:19:21 UTC  

why are commies never happy with anything that they are given lol

2018-12-21 08:19:25 UTC  

the price controls, nationalisations and the seeming involvement of unions seem decent

2018-12-21 08:19:27 UTC  

but again

2018-12-21 08:19:32 UTC  

*not the best thing ever*

2018-12-21 08:19:36 UTC  

fake news

2018-12-21 08:19:55 UTC  

> why are commies never happy with anything that they are given lol

because we aren't given gommunizm

2018-12-21 08:19:58 UTC  

so we gotta take it

2018-12-21 08:20:13 UTC  

lol
ok so what do you think of the picture i posted

2018-12-21 08:20:50 UTC  

seems like capitalism to me

2018-12-21 08:21:13 UTC  

wut lol

2018-12-21 08:21:28 UTC  

it seems to still operate on the employer-employee relation

2018-12-21 08:22:03 UTC  

and private ownership

2018-12-21 08:22:04 UTC  

so

2018-12-21 08:22:05 UTC  

nah, its directly with the corporate
people are elected by the people , there are mediators

2018-12-21 08:22:05 UTC  

yeah

2018-12-21 08:22:20 UTC  

why would anyone go for this and not worker-coops

2018-12-21 08:22:24 UTC  

coops are cool

2018-12-21 08:22:25 UTC  

is beyond me

2018-12-21 08:22:34 UTC  

worker-coops are not just cool, they are clearly superior

2018-12-21 08:22:48 UTC  

but this is mainly for bigger industries
i mean its basically a huge coop

2018-12-21 08:23:25 UTC  

Not really. Also, there are shareholders external to the enterprise's labour force

2018-12-21 08:23:42 UTC  

so it can't be a worker-coop

2018-12-21 08:23:48 UTC  

or comparable

2018-12-21 08:24:03 UTC  

except shareholders are on a leash
the financial sector doesn't dominate industry like it does in capitalism

2018-12-21 08:24:12 UTC  

or they are got rid of

2018-12-21 08:24:16 UTC  

like what hitler did

2018-12-21 08:24:39 UTC  

international finance is cancer

2018-12-21 08:24:42 UTC  

yes but worker-coop is defined by

a) only being constituted by the workers of the coop
b) everyone has 1 vote
c) everyone has equal share

so it wouldn't be the same thing imo

2018-12-21 08:26:21 UTC  

i would say coops work on a smaller scale, apart from mondragon, i dunno, they are pretty comparable i think. way more democratic than capitalism

2018-12-21 08:26:49 UTC  

Mondragon shows that they can work on quite large scale

2018-12-21 08:27:12 UTC  

eh Syndicates are better

2018-12-21 08:27:44 UTC  

thats what i meant
i mean syndicalism like the falange and the corporatist state are pretty much the same thing

2018-12-21 08:27:56 UTC  

worker-coop federations would be a good way forward, at least before proper socialism/communism is established at political level

2018-12-21 08:28:55 UTC  

what do you think of small business overall

2018-12-21 08:29:22 UTC  

I think self-employment is totally valid

2018-12-21 08:29:41 UTC  

right.
what about owning one

2018-12-21 08:29:44 UTC  

True socialism is only achieved at the national level