@Xinyue nice memes bro 👍

if you do *not* define left and right in social ownership vs. private ownership terms, you will in the end lose any meaning the terms had. even in the original french revolution sense, it was always about the expansion of commons vs. the aristocracy trying to hold back any sweeping expansion of the commons/public domain, like even before socialism it had this *general meaning*

and socialism developed directly from the left-wing position

> person who says you can track the development of left an right thought and determine where a person is coming from from a left or right view.. *Post Modernist*

> Person who thinks social positions left and right take are subjective and completely arbitrary, *not Post Modernist*

nice memes bro @Xinyue

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that...literally doesn't make any sense

it doesn't connect to the discussion

your trolling

nicely done

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Literally not. You implied that left and right are *not* first and foremost economic categories of ownership and productive relations. I argued they are.

What is my argument?

Dude you don't make a coherent one

Ok, what is my incoherent argument?

This is the most autistic conversation ever

All I got from you was some vague talk about social issues

which doesn't connect to anything

anyway

I'm done

jfc

I can't do this 😄

lmao

you're great at selling ideology my dude

you know how to keep discussion within that frame

Dude I can't talk a fucking parrot into communism, same applies to you 😄

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and not entertain anything that disrupts that

that's something to learn from

literally am on a server filled with ideological opponents and study the literature of fascists and capitalists 🤔 hmmmmm

you can almost get away with not even addressing the opposition 👍

I'm not trying to suck his dick, but what did he not address?

could be perhaps you who is in the impenetrable echo chamber bucko 😉

he didn't address ANYTHING

literally nothing

uh-huh

go on

I've copy pasted my argument several times which runs completely contrary to his own frame, and he can just not even talk about that...

It would seem to me he is arguing that defining left and right based on social issues doesn't make sense to him because what is and isn't conservative (aka right) changes over time

and your position is that the positions themselves are not relative

so therefore it does make sense