Message from @Gerçek

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2018-12-27 07:34:58 UTC  

your a Utopian individual 😄

2018-12-27 07:35:04 UTC  

I mean what is your solution then? Do not improve the intelligence levels of humans as they venture into this landmark century with all the perils *you clearly are aware exist?*

2018-12-27 07:35:15 UTC  

Seems like the losing proposition

2018-12-27 07:35:39 UTC  

oh no, I'm completely against this IQ Communism 😄

2018-12-27 07:35:47 UTC  

i realise everyone plays their part

2018-12-27 07:35:59 UTC  

you need the average IQ people in a society

2018-12-27 07:36:08 UTC  

You won't stop this at all, no chance in hell, you can only hope to *guide the technological trajectory and the trajectory of applications*

2018-12-27 07:36:26 UTC  

you literally won't be able to combat the transhumanists with some lame status quo policy

2018-12-27 07:36:28 UTC  

that will not happen

2018-12-27 07:36:34 UTC  

there's too much hype

2018-12-27 07:36:49 UTC  

now you're resorting to an argument from inevitablility instead of stating how this is actually a positive thing.

2018-12-27 07:37:06 UTC  

at least my viewpoint allows that we stay humans, we remain largely as we are, we will become better in many aspects but humans after 100 years will live largely as they have hitherto

2018-12-27 07:37:08 UTC  

and about that, i might actually agree with you.. it might well be an inevitablility

2018-12-27 07:37:45 UTC  

yeah but I'm not going to be defeatist about this, fuck that, I spent too much time on that already

2018-12-27 07:37:49 UTC  

you can always choose to see the positives and ignore the negatives to create a rosy picture and have peace of mind

2018-12-27 07:38:07 UTC  

You have literally no alternative to offer, beyond defeatism

2018-12-27 07:38:12 UTC  

I say that defeats your argument on its own

2018-12-27 07:38:56 UTC  

I can point to a problem whilst not having a solution, yet..
pointing to the problem is still useful mate.

2018-12-27 07:39:29 UTC  

I am not sure that there exists a problem, if you mean by "problem" some kind of inevitable spiralling into AI dictatorship because we use nootropics and gene-editing....

2018-12-27 07:39:41 UTC  

not sure why this needs to be

2018-12-27 07:39:56 UTC  

It's not an AI Dictatorship, anyway..

2018-12-27 07:40:02 UTC  

Well you know what I mean

2018-12-27 07:40:10 UTC  

unpleasant future revolving around AI guided evolution

2018-12-27 07:40:15 UTC  

i think you have enough to think about from this, nobody changes their mind on the first go lol

2018-12-27 07:40:16 UTC  

where dumb humans have no problem with it

2018-12-27 07:40:26 UTC  

despite you and me and I think most people here already having evident problem with it

2018-12-27 07:41:23 UTC  

there is enough detatchment from the origin of the product and enough benefits that people won't care about the AI part..
AI part would be just like a warning you find on Cig Boxes

2018-12-27 07:41:31 UTC  

People like seeing themselves, and people they care about, engaged in impacting society. People do not enjoy some thing that has no connection to themselves, or people they care about, determining the future of the species. And why would they?

2018-12-27 07:41:50 UTC  

There's no reason to think this will happen

2018-12-27 07:41:56 UTC  

We must take precaution against it, of course

2018-12-27 07:42:24 UTC  

but there's fairly good chance that hammering the point that "if we aren't in control of our own species future, we don't have one" across will yield results

2018-12-27 07:42:30 UTC  

mostly because as an argument its *demonstrably true*

2018-12-27 07:42:50 UTC  

this is literally a topic of *sci fi dystopia novels*

2018-12-27 07:42:55 UTC  

people understand that this is not desirable

2018-12-27 07:43:01 UTC  

its been a STAPLE of such genres for decades

2018-12-27 07:43:18 UTC  

If you're actually interested in this and since a big part of your ideology seems to rest on this, you should read the Revolutionary Phenotype.

2018-12-27 07:43:48 UTC  

Not a big part of my ideology rests on this, the main concern is that people aren't going to be in control of the technology that displaces them and we'll end up in another kind of dystopia

2018-12-27 07:44:43 UTC  

There's no real non-communist approach to problems of automation and use of machine intelligence in economics. But this IQ stuff does very well as a matter of fact coincide with my ideology, so I have adopted it as well

2018-12-27 07:45:52 UTC  

anyway I need bloody sleep

2018-12-27 07:45:53 UTC  

signing off

2018-12-27 08:53:20 UTC