Message from @Ten-Speed_Bicycle

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2018-12-31 04:44:36 UTC  

Shalom

2018-12-31 04:45:22 UTC  

> AI is too dangerous to be developed or used en masse

Well, it depends. It depends on the kind of AI in question. Narrow AI? Is probably *never* really going to be a super dangerous thing, as long as it is somewhat kept to a low scale and to a specific task, and always in conjunction with a human task giver/overseer.

General AI? Actually dangerous shit yes should not get looked into.

2018-12-31 04:45:47 UTC  

Don't develop it at all

2018-12-31 04:45:48 UTC  

Ban it

2018-12-31 04:45:58 UTC  

should be ban on General AI, yes, I'd agree

2018-12-31 04:46:22 UTC  

We can't trust ourselves to just have *a little* AI, it'll eventually become a slippery slope

2018-12-31 04:46:49 UTC  

nooo, no no no not quite. The kind of tech we use in narrow AI is totally different from anything that'd be capable of being human level (let alone beyond)

2018-12-31 04:47:12 UTC  

we don't even really understand what that would look like

2018-12-31 04:47:26 UTC  

there's not even blueprint for how to go about creating a vague concept

2018-12-31 04:47:54 UTC  

the narrow AIs themselves however will be dangerous *in certain contexts*

2018-12-31 04:47:56 UTC  

for example,

2018-12-31 04:48:06 UTC  

in situations where you'd replace all humans in military and police with them

2018-12-31 04:48:13 UTC  

dystopia level right there

2018-12-31 04:48:42 UTC  

*Looks at Xi Jinping*

2018-12-31 04:48:50 UTC  

Though the west will probably come around eventually

2018-12-31 04:49:36 UTC  

they'd be able to carry out any task, any order, any command with zero remorse or consideration for such, if they'd even possess anything resembling sentience which they indeed probably would not. You could order an narrow-AI based army to nuke Texas **for no reason** and it would obey because, well, *of course it would.* Human soldiers might revolt when faced with such command.

2018-12-31 04:51:07 UTC  

So there are some golden rules I have for going forward with this kind of tech:

1) limit it to narrow AI
2) ban general AI
3) limit all narrow AI to be outside police, state, military, general chain of command or offices of civil servants

2018-12-31 04:51:59 UTC  

but you can't possibly stop all AI development, there's far too much investment in it

2018-12-31 04:52:04 UTC  

by far too many people

2018-12-31 04:53:46 UTC  

@Xinyue the obvious solution is to replace humans with AI

2018-12-31 04:53:52 UTC  

so we are all on the same playing field

2018-12-31 04:53:57 UTC  

evolution waits for no one

2018-12-31 04:54:06 UTC  

Narrow AI is too relative and machine learning in general is dangerous

2018-12-31 04:54:23 UTC  

christ

2018-12-31 04:54:31 UTC  

are you guys really going to go mechanicum of mars on us

2018-12-31 04:54:33 UTC  

@Ten-Speed_Bicycle except that is not the solution at all 🤔 that's a non-solution

2018-12-31 04:54:51 UTC  

HURR TECHNOLOGY BAD CUZ IT CHANGES THINGGGSSS

2018-12-31 04:55:14 UTC  

>When you make a robot and then kill yourself so that the robot can live your life <:ancom:520002567988838401>

2018-12-31 04:55:31 UTC  

Why would you cuck your entire species though. That goes against pretty much the whole reason why you, and your entire species line, exist.

2018-12-31 04:55:38 UTC  

Also there's no gain in it

2018-12-31 04:55:43 UTC  

the mind uploads aren't gonna work

2018-12-31 04:56:00 UTC  

>cuck your species

are you cucking cro-magnon men when you evolved to be homo sapiens?

2018-12-31 04:56:34 UTC  

Ok this is epic

2018-12-31 04:57:12 UTC  

Funny, man survived wars that killed millions, massive plagues that nearly wiped out their own people, yet, if things are to continue in technological development, its own creation will be its undoing

2018-12-31 04:57:31 UTC  

That was a remarkably bad point man. First of all, the genes were still present there, albeit in different form. There was still continuum between the one that came before, and the one that came after. Second of all, that wasn't a choice on anyone's part - therefore, not *cucking.*

Now, you though advocate for the abrupt phasing out of biological life it seems, becoming AI, which is - not only probably impossible from scientific standpoint - the most insane concept there is.

2018-12-31 04:58:26 UTC  

But lets dwell on that little point of scientific untenability for a moment

2018-12-31 04:59:52 UTC  

see, it might be that the brain is non-computable. And if it is non-computable, then it quite literally can never be transferred over to digital form. And to make matters worse, it might be further that *no computer can ever be conscious,* specifically because the mind has an element of non-computability to it, a semantics in addition to syntax, whereas the computer doesn't have that element of non-computability.

2018-12-31 04:59:58 UTC  

My point is that banning technological advancement is kind of a shitty idea too.

2018-12-31 05:00:22 UTC  

>the mind has an element of non computability

2018-12-31 05:00:30 UTC  

<:lol:521377935672737792>

2018-12-31 05:00:50 UTC  

Well yes