Message from @Xinyue
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and what's next? a COMMUNIST FINNISH GUY IS GOING TO TEACH THIS VENEZUELAN DUDE, SOME HISTORY OF VENEZUELA?
AHHAHAHAHAHHHAAHHAAHHAAHHA
I even know Mostly or nearly the most part of the History of my country so if you want to give me a History lesson of my OWN COUNTRY? NO THANKS I ALREADY READ IT
also in the 2 Coup d'etats Chávez organized in 1992, he killed between 100-300 Civilians by cross fire
Well, the legacy of Chavez can be broken down to a number of different aspects. First, there are the goals; roughly speaking these can be summarised in the "Communal State" concept which Chavez outlined as the end point of the "Bolivarian process". Chavez (and esp. his successor) have been incredibly vague about this process and what exactly it entails, but there are a number of recurring themes:
a) democratic institutions strengthened via increased importance of the communal councils
b) popular initiative strengthened via the increased prevalence of worker-cooperative economics
c) the gradual realisation of "socialism in the 21st century" via these two methods which will converge and result in the "Communal State"
And for all their current troubles, the PSUV was making progress. Inflation rates were at historic lows, poverty came down very very hard, HDI went up, education levels went up, life expectancy went up and GDP went up rather nicely. Numerous cooperatives were launched, communal organisations get increased authority and in general the trend was up.
Then came the 2010s and, with it, the age of hardship.
for real?
really
yes this is what data would let us surmise
you are telling me about Chávez Period when i know what he even did before politics?
for real?
...
you are lost
there's no point debating with you, it's like Debating with a Chavista in my country
they are STUPID AS HELL, they are Fanatical debotes to Chávez
you asked me for the legacy of the Chavez period and I gave you it with context of what I know of it, its aims and its most general outlook (which, due to inability to read or speak spanish, is limited)
AND PLENTY OF THEM BELIEVE THAT CHÁVEZ IS A GOD
I'M NOT KIDDING
THEY EVEN BUILT A CHAPPEL IN HIS NAME
It is called "Capilla Santo Hugo Chávez"
I'm not a Chavista though, you might not want to project your preconceptions based on experiences in your country upon me
I tend to think that Chavism is *too soft*
soft?
it destroyed my country in 20 years
it didn't liquidate the capitalist sector of the economy, it did very little to annex it
it did
you guys keep saying that it destroyed your country in 20 years but you have absolutely no argument for it; this is pure propaganda point
when he started to take control over the main Oil company wich is
PDVSA
he fired 20.000 people that were working there
in wich
My parents are INCLUIDED
this people were very competent, and were against Chávez Politics
before PDVSA was taken by the Proletariat, it was a very competent company and they had a meritocracy system
they had a supervisor checking every single worker job so they can know their perfomance
one of the slogans of the company was "The Meritocracy is Excellence"
so back to the point, when this professional personal was fired from their jobs, Chávez simply give jobs for people that doesn't even know how to work in a Oil Company
as you can see, HDI and education both gained tremendously during the Chavez administration, and that inflation rates were at an all time low; further, poverty went down significantly and the country was making real progress. Sure, these were due to gradualist socialist policies rather than the clear-cut, transformative socialism of actual substance, but its still noteworthy and you cannot dismiss it as "destroying" your country.

in fact PDVSA's OIL production lowed to 1.500.000 Barrels

