Message from @CronoSaturn
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but to provide positive material benefits to families to stay together or have more kids is to misunderstand the problem to begin with
@Gerçek it doesn't have to be some draconian situation like if you are a bad wife we shoot you
The point is people respond to incentives be they financial or otherwise
We should set up society to promote and facilitate men and women forming long term partnerships and producing/raising children as a unit
i think by reforming divorce to be more equitable and a bit of a cultural swing as things normalise thats 90% of the way there
"reforming divorce to be more equitable" you see there's your first problem.
Divorce shouldn't be equitable. They should grant custody to the parent who's better capable to raise the children, and the other party shouldn't have to pay. Easy.
Land of the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAj9W0ntUMI
@Deleted User so you'd be ok with deadbeats going around knocking people up and scampering off?
i think regardless of gender whoever takes care of the kid should receive money in line with what the other parents contribution costs them, adjusted for what role they had in the seperation
@CronoSaturn deadbeat?
the state should not be able to seize someone's money and transfer it to someone else in the name of equity
I respect property rights
its not an equity thing
Just because a man was wealthy upon having children shouldn't give his wife any right to rob him if she divorces him later on
you know that alot of the child support stuff had support from your tradcon types so that if theyre daughter gets knocked up by jack down the road he has to either marry or help pay for it yeah?
If she wants to enjoy his wealth, perhaps she shouldn't divorce him
right but child support is not tied to marriage
Well, it depends on the sort of society we're setting up here. I assume you'd prefer a more liberal or libertarian society, yes?
absolutely but liberalism is a broad church and im not a libertarian
We could always ban sex outside of marriage, and punish law breakers, but I think you'd be offended
i would be, plus its ineffective
people have sex outside of marriage whether you like it or not
So alternatively, we could say if a woman becomes pregnant the child is hers. She is not entitled to any money from her boyfriend.
If she wants his financial assistance, she should marry him
the problem is she might want to marry him and he does not
After all, if we are to act like women are adults with the same agency as men then they can refrain from sleeping around and getting pregnant before marriage.
Then she should have the agency to not fuck him without a condom
this is the original problem child support sought to solve
right but he also can *say* baby ill take care of you
Yes, people lie
Lying is not a crime
If you want financial support you ought to enter into a contract with the other person, that's what marriage used to be
Only now the contract offers the man no protection
right but the law sees that as a reasonable expectation that if they then knock the girl up then there was an offer and acceptance
thats a voluntary contract
That's unreasonable. If you want the man to provide you must give him something in return
also men can and do get alimony payments and child support