Message from @Bukkaking

Discord ID: 518658953568190474


2018-12-02 05:23:00 UTC  

.22lr will not penetrate soft armor

2018-12-02 05:23:08 UTC  

Except for all the times it does in police service

2018-12-02 05:23:19 UTC  

except it doesn't?

2018-12-02 05:23:27 UTC  

Soft vests get shrek'd by basically everything

2018-12-02 05:23:43 UTC  

To the point where it's a reasonable question as to why they're produced at all

2018-12-02 05:23:52 UTC  

plenty of video evidence on youtube proving otherwise

2018-12-02 05:24:16 UTC  

lmao you mean the FMJ plinker loads firing at surplus plate?

2018-12-02 05:24:22 UTC  

Totally NIJ standards

2018-12-02 05:24:22 UTC  

think about it from a liability standpoint k?

2018-12-02 05:24:31 UTC  

theres tons of companies producing NIJ standard armor

2018-12-02 05:24:38 UTC  

which are rated for specific calibers

2018-12-02 05:24:39 UTC  

here, let me lok at NIJ 1010-06

2018-12-02 05:24:49 UTC  

if a cop is shot by said caliber

2018-12-02 05:24:50 UTC  

body armor standards as of 2008

2018-12-02 05:24:54 UTC  

wearing NIJ armor

2018-12-02 05:24:59 UTC  

that is supposed to stop it

2018-12-02 05:25:09 UTC  

would that not make a juicy case for a slam dunk lawsuit?

2018-12-02 05:25:10 UTC  

shush now little one

2018-12-02 05:25:18 UTC  

NIJ standards are here

2018-12-02 05:25:23 UTC  

Let us peep

2018-12-02 05:25:30 UTC  

that being said, how exactly is it that these companies stay in business?

2018-12-02 05:25:42 UTC  

unless their armor actually stops the rated threat

2018-12-02 05:26:23 UTC  

.17HMR 17gr doing 2600 fps out of a rifle

2018-12-02 05:26:31 UTC  

goes through IIIA

2018-12-02 05:26:40 UTC  

discussion is related to .22lr not .17hmr

2018-12-02 05:26:45 UTC  

much faster than .22lr or 5.7x28

2018-12-02 05:27:35 UTC  

I have a whole new respect for .17HMR

2018-12-02 05:27:38 UTC  

Not gonna lie

2018-12-02 05:27:44 UTC  

However, back to the argument

2018-12-02 05:28:00 UTC  

II and IIA is designed to stop 9mm and .40 round nose

2018-12-02 05:28:06 UTC  

FMJ

2018-12-02 05:28:09 UTC  

No AP

2018-12-02 05:28:30 UTC  

Based on the test criteria, the armor needs to have limited BFD

2018-12-02 05:28:49 UTC  

Which means it's not meant for penetrative ballistics, it's basically a kevlar shock pad.

2018-12-02 05:29:03 UTC  

A small, fast round will penetrate textile armor readily

2018-12-02 05:29:32 UTC  

but .22lr isn't .17HMR fast

2018-12-02 05:29:43 UTC  

In fact, based on the 2-4-16-64g test criteria for fragmentation resistance, armor rated for actual AP threats is *weaker* against 2-4g threats.

2018-12-02 05:29:56 UTC  

even .22 mag isn't fast enough

2018-12-02 05:30:10 UTC  

Which requires its own type and technique of textile weaving to defeat